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No Champ is Broken: Who Agrees?

EkkoFroffles··7 votes·1,371 views

I'll agree that some champions are overpowered, but I feel like the word "broken" is thrown out too often. I honestly have never gotten beaten/killed by a champ and thought to myself that it was because the champion themselves is just "unfair." I always see counterplay possibilities, even with some of the most hated champs in the game, and am honestly baffled by some of the champions people single out. My friend was just telling me he feels Tryndamere is broken when we were talking about Ekko. I might have laughed out loud a little upon reading that text.

League of Legends has balance problems, yes, but I'm honestly more concerned about buffing the underpowered champions than nerfing the overpowered ones, largely because a lot of people just get too caught up to assess those "overpowered" champions fairly. Unless a champion is underpowered, you're sure to see at least one person nursing a pet hatred for them and calling for nerfs/fixes, or at least that's how it seems.

Who agrees with me that no champion is truly deserving of the "broken" label, disregarding legit bugs (like Kalista being able to AA during Malz ult, GA, etc., or Nid's invisible spears)? Who else thinks the community can be a bit too reactionary to any champion that's perceived to be the least bit "overpowered" or irritating to play against?

I'm expecting I'll be in the minority, but I want to know how far in the minority I actually am.

29 Comments

Lord Dusteon2 votes

What are you using broken to mean? Are you using broken to mean overpowered, or broken to mean the champion cannot be allowed to be good because of their kit, or?

warwiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6hLHB7N,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-03T00:56:33.217+0000)

What are you using broken to mean? Are you using broken to mean overpowered, or broken to mean the champion cannot be allowed to be good because of their kit, or?

Theres always one of these cancer answers..

Lord Dusteon3 votes

{quoted}

Theres always one of these cancer answers..

...Are you meaning my answer? Because what the OP means broken as is relevant. If they mean as overpowered I'd go with a yes ,though rarely, and mostly only on champion release or relaunch, if as because of their kit a resounding yes (Yorick and Poppy come to mind), and if its other I'd need to know because that impacts the answer.

warwiller1 votes

LordDusteon he explains it in the esecond sentence "ive never been beaten by a champ and thought its unfair". SO he means no champ overpowered sorry for being rude tho xd

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I've seen it to basically mean "delete this champion from the game. He/she should not be allowed to exist as is." Usually when I see people say it, they go beyond "they need nerfed" to "them being in the game at all is unhealthy," which I personally find ridiculous in many cases.

1000angrybees2 votes

The champs that cant be balanced properly and need to be reworked to be acceptable are broken. That's how I see it.

C4KE2 votes

I also think skill level plays a huge part in this factor. It really depends on the person. Behind the champ. Say for example, I could play my best champ, but go up against faker and have him pick some "underpowered or troll pick champ" and I can bet 9/10 times he will beat me, he just has better mechanics and decision making than I do.

2000boxes1 votes

incorrect as you know one of riven's voiceovers when she is given a movement command is, "A sword mirrors its owner." If you look at riven's sword and read her lore, you can see that her sword is broken. Riven is the owner of the sword so therefore Riven is broken.

Goodest Gamer1 votes

nice original as shit meme.

2000boxes1 votes

is this when i tell you that i don't keep up with memes I am simply just making connections between lore and voice overs. the only forum game i know is rammus ok which again is just a voice over.

DrNova1 votes

Except useless Soraka

rtbf2216514123 votes

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Except useless Soraka

Please tell me you aren't serious. You should see how much she can heal in a game.

DrNova1 votes

Maybe im just really bad with her. I can never hit enough Q's though to not essentiallly kill myself. Skill is too short of range and too damned slow.

Its a dumb idea for how her heal works anyways, I dont see how it fits her character at all.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

That AOE silence is no joke either.

ElJanitorFrank1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTPemmD33k

HorusEye1 votes

Then you should be in Challenger right now....

EkkoFroffles2 votes

I honestly don't know how you got that from my post. I'm saying that me losing to any champ is reliant mostly upon me messing up, which I do often seeing as I'm B5. And I'm also saying that people often nurse pet grudges based upon what they in particular hate playing against. I, for example, would take Kalista, Zed, Ekko, LeBlanc, etc. over Riven or Xerath. But I don't say that because I think either is OP. I say it because I just can't deal with them, no matter how many times I face them. For the most part, it's a matter of my skill level in relation to theirs.

Hoi Im Temmo1 votes

I agree almost always: but I think that there are certain champions who are far and above in power level, at least to the point that it warps the game.

The number one example, that I QQ about like no ones business, is Nasus. I have beaten him in lane, no problem. In so far as fighting you 1v1 he is quite beatable, and can even be a fun match.

But it ends there. Starting with his first q-last hit, you and your team are on a timer. No matter how ahead you get, how well you do, how many of your champs get fed....Nasus will snowball until you cant win (barring some pure cc comp that someone always throws up. The fact is, in actual games, you don't necessarily know if you will play against a Nasus, and shouldn't have to pick your ENTIRE TEAM to deal with him)

I have played games where nasus gets to 10 minutes with about 60-90 stacks. He just leaves lane, goes into jungle, and unless your entire team goes hunting him down, he will walk out in 5 minutes with 150-200+.

By the end of the game, he is 2 shotting your carry, and to tanky to ever be the first target, despite him doing more damage than their carry.

Goodest Gamer1 votes

i like how his name resembles someone who is incredibly broken atm.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Broken? No. Overpowered? Yes. I'm in favor of nerfing Ekko as long as he's not nerfed to the point that he's underpowered, which Riot likes to do. So what if I happen to enjoy a champion who, at the moment, is overtuned? Am I not allowed to like and play champions like Ekko, Zed, etc.? Does it make me a bad person who can't see reason when I'll often be the first to admit when a champ is OP in some sense. The first time I tested out Ekko's shield against an inhibitor turret I thought to myself it could definitely use a nerf. But nerf his base damage and ridiculous scaling and he's fine.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Most champs aren't broken. Some are.

3TWarrior1 votes

underpowered champs are broken, they need fixed XD

arc951 votes

Elise player...OMG RITO NERF MINIONS THEY SO OP :P

DontDieRespawn1 votes

I can penta with fiora solo late game, just saying.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

I think there are plenty of broken champions. I don't think there are many, if any, overpowered champions but there are certainly some broken ones.

Katarina, Yorick, Annie, Fiddlesticks, etc. come to my mind when I think "broken"

Overtuned/Overpowered? That's a different story. Honestly the above champions are fairly well balanced despite being broken, it's just that their kits are toxic.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I watched the video someone else posted where a guy lists who he thinks are the "most broken champions in the game," and seen who others feel is "broken," and I still just don't get it. I literally see nothing wrong or "toxic" with the kits of the champions you mentioned, and if they, and others I've seen thrown out there, qualify as "toxic" kits, I feel like half the champions in LoL could fall under that banner.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

A lot of it's personal feeling for sure. My definition of a toxic or broken kit is pretty broad, but it usually comes down to one of 3 categories or some combination of them:

  1. Absurd lane phase. Yorick for example, harasses you while sustaining at the same time, forces you to fight his ghosts or run away from them causing you to miss CS at the simple click of a button. I understand the concept of a lane bully, but some champions like Yorick take this to the point of excess.

  2. Uncounterable burst damage. Annie clicks on you from 1000 range, or flashes from 1400 range and gets her full combo off with a stun. The counter to that is you either build a ton of magic resist or you pick a champion that can kill her from outside of that nuke range. Is there counterplay? Yes. But I don't think it's very healthy counterplay. Compare this to Zed or Leblanc - dodge their skillshots and you survive. Annie doesn't really have skillshots, and she has a way to pin you in place built into her kit.

  3. Cooldown resets. On it's own I don't think this is a problem (See Kha'Zix/Tristana) but when you add Katarina's massive AOE burst damage and mobility? It starts to be an issue. When "Just CC her" is the only counter to a champion, I feel like there's a problem with the kit.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

With regards to Katarina, I don't find her to be much of an issue since I main top lane, Garen in particular, and so if I see one get a little fed then I can just roam down mid and curb stomp her. Q+E+R. Maybe ignite too if I don't want to risk her escaping. Riven seems more "broken" to me, with her 3 dashes, knockup, stun, and shield. She can leave top lane, pick up a double kill on your mid and jungler down mid, then be back top in like 10 seconds, or so it seems. That's why I list her as one of the champions I personally hate facing the most. No matter how crappy I make her laning phase, her kit makes it so all she has to do is roam and she's completely negated that. Unless your team actually has wards out and/or listens to your pings... but we all know that almost never happens.

arc951 votes

I think Ekko is ... and i think Leblanc is borderline because her burst is pretty unavoidable(and is pretty much always a one shot) but otherwise there certainly are strong champs but no one is broken

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