Why does Mordekaiser have 325 ms?

JustSeba··17 votes·3,425 views

325 ms, really, why? He has no escape mechanism, no crowd control, and is melee range. I mean Vladimir has 330 move speed, and has W(sanguine pool) to escape. Viktor has 335 ms, and W(gravity field). AND they are both ranged! As it stands, Mordekaiser is one of the easiest champions to gank in League of Legends. Again, he has melee range, no cc, no escape, and a horrible 325 ms. As someone who plays Mordekaiser mid, I have 2 suggestions: 1 = Raise his ms to 340 2 = Boost his defenses (Maybe a bit more starting health, armor?) I don't think he needs a major rehaul. I'm not happy with his W, but otherwise I like the place his in right now. He just needs to be tankier and have more ms, to mitigate the fact that he has no cc / escape, and as such is the easiest gank target.

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Witch of Babylon12 votes

He has 325 ms because his internet is very bad.

TheLightBringer6 votes

Because it could be utterly strong if he had more movement speed than he has with his W if used correctly, and it could be ridiculously hard to exploit one of his clear intentional weaknesses (vulnerable to kiting) once he finishes item 3116 item 3146 You can try out ghost on him if its something that bothers you too much. And, he already is very tanky with his passive and once he finishes item 3116, + some people builditem 3146 which grants him a good amount of damage, sustain and chase potential. Again, it is an intentional weakness on him, which nowadays is already deminished by summoner 6 summoner 4 item 3116 item 3146 item 3152 which are all viable options today.

JustSeba2 votes

He could be utterly strong? Are you sure? He sees 0 play in the competitive scene. Out of all the league champions, he is the easiest to gank. Hard CC counters him hard (if he can't get his passive up, then he's squishy enough to die instantly. He's top 8 lowest hp at lvl 18.) His q required you to be in melee range. His W requires an ally in FRONT of you (and you are generally going to be the front line), and lasts 4 seconds. He's E range is medium, with a short cast animation. What exactly would make him utterly strong? He saw some play before his W experience nerf, in bot lane, but that was purely for his level advantage. Where is Mordekaiser now? Why aren't we seeing him? His weakness is his need to be in the front line to be effective. His weakness is his kite-ability, and his lack of escape mechanisms and any crowd control. We shouldn't add to that the worst in game mobility. Please play 10 ranked mordekaiser games, and come back to me.

TheLightBringer6 votes
  • "He sees 0 play in the competitive scene" - how much I love hearing this. competetive scene is worlds different than what you play as League, and the fact that one champion isn't picked in the competetive scene doesn't make it weak, bad, or not viable.

  • "Out of all the league champions, he is the easiest to gank" - an intended weakness of mordekaiser. Just like Darius, he is easy to gank, does it make darius bad? arguably, but if darius was that bad he wouldn't have been banned that much.

  • "Hard CC counters him hard" - pointless claim, hard CC counters every champion.

  • "His W requires an ally in FRONT of you (and you are generally going to be the front line), and lasts 4 seconds." - That makes him work really good with divers and tanks. 4 seconds can be a whole teamfight in League.

  • "What exactly would make him utterly strong?" - his damage output is ridiculous, so increasing his mobility in the way that it would be much harder to peel him off would offer no counterplay against his damage. How good would you feel if you couldnt kite him as an adc?

  • "Where is Mordekaiser now? Why aren't we seeing him?" - In fact I have seen him in some recent high elo games. You don't see Urgot often, does it make him a weak or buff-needing champion? absolutely not.

  • "His weakness is his need to be in the front line to be effective. His weakness is his kite-ability, and his lack of escape mechanisms and any crowd control. We shouldn't add to that the worst in game mobility. " - Kite-ability, lack of escape mechanisms and worst in game mobility are 3 different mashed up versions of one weaknss - immobility. Some champions lack crowd control, which can be compromised by item 3116 and item 3146 that make sticking up to a target on him almost as effective as hard CC. Some champions lack mobility, which can also be compromised by item 3116 item 3146 summoner 6 summoner 4 summoner 3 (specifically on him) as while they might find getting to a target troublesome, once they reach it, it is not likely to escape them.

  • all that and we didnt even speak about his strengths. all it takes for him to change the game's tide is point and click r on an enemy champion, and with a decent followup from team, the game shifts from 5v5 to 6v4. his ultimate is really really strong in forcing objectives, it is very hard to duel him if you're not able to kite him (and thats exactly what you're asking to do - increase his mobility and reduce effectiveness of kiting against him, adcs will get 1shot by his q alone), and he is not that easy to take down as well, considering he is equal in gold with his opponents. + once again, his damage is absolutely insane.

JustSeba3 votes

Darius has 340 ms, 57 more starting health, 5.85 more starting health regen, 9.9 more starting armour. Guess who's easier to gank?

TheLightBringer4 votes

Darius as his play pattern is much more aggressive in lane than Morde's.

Still did not refer to the fact that there are stuff that may add you bonus movement speed, namely :

  1. movement speed quints
  2. item 3285 item 3742 (both are viable on him)
  3. masteries : Wanderer, Explorer, Stormraider's surge (the last one is pretty sick on him, I can say that from experience)

P.S the fact that I did not play ranked games with Mordekaiser does not mean I don't know his damages, weaknesses and so forth.

JustSeba1 votes

The fact that you have no ranked games on him kinda does speak to the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. You're arguing that his movement speed is fine based on the fact that there are ms items, and slow items. Are they exclusive to mordekaiser? Are movement speed quints, ms items, and slow items better or exclusive to morde? Do we not see the same items on a 340 ms ekko, with a dash, a stun, a passive slow and ms boost, and an ulti? Is a 1.5% ms quint better on 325 ms, or 340? The fact that you don't play Mordekaiser speaks very much to your lack of knowledge of him. You have no idea what you're talking about. You have some ''feelings'' about him, you don't play him, but you feel that his ms is ok. You ''feel'' that he is perfectly balanced. But you don't take into account any math. You don't compare his stats to other champs. You don't play him a decent amount of times to get a feel for him. You try different build. You just ''feel'' that he is ok, but do 0 research. I played mordekaiser since season 1. I compared his stats to other champs. I tried different lanes and different build. I read a number of guides on him. I watched pro's playing him. Even watched the summer lcs video Jidf Operative gave me ( thanks man). I did my research. If you want to bring something to this discussion, please bring more than just your opinion on the matter.

TheLightBringer3 votes
  • "The fact that you have no ranked games on him kinda does speak to the fact that you don't know what you're talking about." - It's a very rash claim that is very untrue. In most of my ranked games I play jungle/support, and in such roles there are far better champions to pick and carry with than morde. Besides, does it mean I never played him/against on normal that I have no idea what Im talking about?

  • "You're arguing that his movement speed is fine based on the fact that there are ms items, and slow items. Are they exclusive to mordekaiser?" - I never said theyre exclusive on Morde (although ms quints and storm raider's isnt what you typically see nowadays), I just said you can consider using such items/runes/masteries to help you cover your champion's weakness, as it's a dominant role of runes and masteries along with items.

  • "The fact that you don't play Mordekaiser" - I dont play him on RANKED, and still it does not mean I have never played against him and have no clue what Im talking about.

  • "You just ''feel'' that he is ok, but do 0 research." - 1. You have 0 proofs to that. 2. you are dead wrong.

  • "please bring more than just your opinion on the matter." I actually brought you a crap ton of advices, but you are ignorantly focused on being right and justifying your emotional posts and thoughts instead of taking what I wrote into your true consideration.

There is not a comment I wrote here which is not true. In fact you just look at it from mordekaiser's pov, and the your feeling that he is outshined by other champions, but you don't think of how unhealthy it could be to ADCs or other squishy carries if mordekaiser had already more mobility/cc/chase potential than he does now with all the following choices give him summoner 6 summoner 4 item 3116 item 3742 item 3146 item 3152 [insert here stormraider's and whatever else you can imagine that might help him to stick to his target once he gets to it]

And how with how Mordekaiser currently is, buffing his mobility or bringing him a new CC ability might as well end up with tuning down his damage.

PS You just gotta learn to accept that picking mordekaiser into very mobile teams isn't a good idea, which is completely natural. (same way you dont want to pick KogMaw Jhin into heavy assassin/diving compositions or also not want to pick Katarina into Lissandra Riven or something like that.)

JustSeba1 votes

Again, I gave you numbers, you give me advice, never having played him once in ranked. Try out that advice for yourself, tell me how it turns out. Maybe you'll go 20/0 ten games in a row with it, force riot to nerf Morde. Otherwise, I'll listen to my experience and research, and say he needs a buff, both on ms and base stats. Like XTRMN00B1337 said, he has lower base stats then Kha'Zhix. Morgana has 335 ms, and is borderline ungankable.

TheLightBringer3 votes

So because Khazix has better base stats thanMordekaiser , Mordekaiser needs a buff to base stats?

and what does Morgana being "ungankable" has to do with this thread? every champion has its strengths and weaknesses (with Morgana its her spellshield), it doesnt mean every other champion should have the same strengths and weaknesses (does Morgana having a spellshield means every champion should have a spellshield?)

You better tell me why would I play Mordekaiser in ranked if I main jungle and support? and again, it doesnt mean I dont have games with/against Mordekaiser in normals.

Again, completely ignoring all what I said and keeping on your blind attitude.

JustSeba1 votes

Blind attitude? No, not blind at all. I tried cleanse, barrier, ignite, tp, ghost walk. I tried ap quints, ms quints, health, a whole bunch of different runes. I played him vs over 20 different mid champions. I tried a different plethora of item builds on him. I climbed as high as Diamond 3, now I'm playing casually, trying to master forgotten champs (mordekaiser being one). I see how Mordekaiser performs. I know Mordekaiser mid, bot, top and even saw him jungle. You never played him, and all you can tell me is rylais. Ms items, masteries, runes. I saw your side. I played with every item, every mastery you suggested, every rune. You refuse to look at thing from my perspective. Instead of playing a few games with him, checking some stats, you prefer to argue non-sense.

TheLightBringer3 votes

Yes, blind attitude.

When I keep telling you over and over again I main jungle and support in ranked thus I dont play him in ranked and you keep telling me I have 0 experience with him, although in fact I do have experience with him and against him in normals, but you keep on telling me I have 0 experience with him, that is blind attitude.

Mordekaiser is not an ideal pick for carrying right now, accept it and get over it. Every champion has been through times where it wasn't a top tier pick compared to other champions.

And as JIDF also said, he is in a pretty good spot right now, especially with the first blood tower when he has so strong objective control (having an over 2k hp ghost that deals over 200 damage per hit already by 10 minutes is really underwhelming right?) He is very strong, just not an ideal pick against every single team composition and champion of League. He might lack mobility (which again can be compromised by items runes and masteries) but he also can stick to a target pretty well. Once you have rylais and tag someone with the ult its much easier to get to them and 100-0 them with your q-e in case theyre a squishy.

You said he's not so tanky, but with his passive (especially with that e which has just about 5 seconds cd that recovers his shield extremely well in teamfights) and just item 3116 he becomes far more tanky than some other mid laners become, and very hard to assassinate if built correctly, especially compared to some other carries.

JIDF Operative5 votes

Morde got played in Worlds or in one of the competitive competitions about a month ago and he won. I would like an extra 5 MS added to him but he doesn't really need it considering he is in a pretty good spot right now.

JustSeba1 votes

Can you link me the game? I'm trying to master Morde atm, and would be really interested to watch that game.

JIDF Operative2 votes

I'll try to find it later today I'm a bit busy atm but I'll try to. It's in the jungle btw and not top Edit: This should be it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=81Tdk4P8L1E

JustSeba1 votes

Thanks

Azrael Jiraco1 votes

When I watched that game, I couldn't help but wince at all the kills he could have secured if he took Stormraider's Surge, haha.

Still that's probably the only downside for having such a huge range of junglers he can carry his team with. Insanely good jungler!

Azrael Jiraco3 votes

Let's be honest, he needs a complete rebalance, 'cos he's even more of a feed or feast champion than the old Morde.

MS and base stats up, remove or weaken that absurdly high heal on W (or replace with resistances. The resistances on previous W worked fine).

Make him so that Rylai's isn't a staple item. Morde's power is directly linked to the state of Rylai's whilst other champions can just change to better items when adjustments are made. For the same reason, Stormraider's Surge being used by most high ELO Morde mains is weird, and I'm sure not the way he was meant to be designed.

Dragon? I don't know how Riot feels about dragon, but I think it's utterly ridiculous!

Kind regards Diamond Morde OTP

TheLightBringer4 votes

I agree, he could use a good rework. Just had to say that in his current state I don't think he needs any buffs to his mobility, especially when right now there are more choices than ever were in league to help reach/stick to a target.

JustSeba2 votes

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not happy with his base stats, I don't like the fact that you have to build Rylai's, I don't really like the state of his W, and Dragon just feels like a corny thing they added to give him something strong to draw attention away from his otherwise underwhelming state.

TheLightBringer2 votes

Underwhelming state. Because pressing E in a teamfight (5 seconds CD) and gaining at least 50% of your passive which is 25% of your maximum health given as a shield is very underwhelming right? especially when the arguably most important item on him grants you a bunch of HP. And that Q that alone hits as hard as an ultimate ability if not harder, which is also on around 5 seconds cool down. Or that W that synergies perfectly with the hard cc initiators like Zac or Malphite or many other viable picks that have hard cc that allows morde to get in (faster, since he casted w on them) onto the carries face. And heals for way too much, said by a diamond mordekaiser player not me. Underwhelming. Ok.

JustSeba1 votes

I fully agree with his W needing a changed. Its his horrible base stats that make him horrible. Make look into it?

GULAG 4 U6 votes

Cause he is meant to be a kiteable juggernaut. He also has his W to give him ms.

It would be a nice change to have BETTER FUCKING BASE STATS BECOZ FUKIN KHA';ZIX HAS BETTER BASE STATS THAN A BRUISER

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

But he gets kited BY juggernaughts. D:

TheLightBringer2 votes

That until he gets his Rylais xd Which might explain why he has such a low base movement speed. Other juggernauts like Garen and Darius don't have Frozen Mallet as a core item on them, instead they have higher base movement speed and some sort of way (Garen specifically) to get into the face of the enemy carries, but Riot probably knew Rylais will stay core on him (as it was before the rework as I recall) when he has no gapclosing mechanic, and thus they might've thought that if he had that movement speed as garen or Darius have it would be pretty harder to escape him when he builds Rylais in every game probably.

By the way, I think the t3 boots / boot enchantments were still existing in game when they released juggernauts rework, and actually rushing one of these enchantments on mordekaiser to help him reach a target could cause a very deadly situation for his opponents who probably did not rush any enchantment. (I believe many morde players would give up 500 or so gold for that alacrity or furor straight after Rylais even to be able to reach their target easily, but that would end up with morde being too fast than intended once he tagged someone with his ult and permaslowed them for that 10 seconds)

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

Whilst this is true, lane is usually already won by someone before first items are completed.

I agree with the enchantments; I bought them all the time.

Rylai's is only core because of his movement speed. If Darius had the same movement speed and no slow, Frozen Mallet WOULD be core on him.

If I didn't need Rylai's, I wouldn't take it half as much.

(It wasn't core before rework, but a small group of mains liked to buy it.)

TheLightBringer2 votes

What you're saying is not wrong, but the main problem as presented in this thread (immobility) of morde is almost irrelevant to how well he does in the top lane for example, when not against ranged champions like Quinn (who punishes any melee champions, even riven who is utterly mobile), because then his job is to survive lane phase and the ideal goal is to win trades and gain control of the lane (which he can do pretty well thanks to his passive, q w e self explanatory but they basically deal a lot of damage, much more than other melee champions can - usually because they have cc/gap closers which in exchange forces them to be weaker than him), and yea usually in melee skirmishes it's not about how much base movement speed a champion has. Mordekaiser also has a relatively high attack range, and can set up his third q decently on enemy minions before forcing a trade, assuming played correctly. (As I remember every mordekaiser I've seen before the rework had Rylais :D)

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

His Laning prior to Rylai's is hilarious when using Stormraider's, but all of my Diamond opponents are aware of that little trick. Sad times.

I mainly get sad about the movement speed when against other juggernaughts. I get a good trade, they simply walk away. They get a good trade, I have to absorb two or three more auto's if they orb walk correctly. The movement speed isn't so noticeable in huge teamfights, but in delicate top lane trades, it's the biggest difference I felt between old and new Morde.

(I rocked the Luden's Echo and Void Staff Morde back in the day. Tanks and squishies, beware! There were a few high ELO Morde players that took Rylai's, but not as a rushed item. Most of them used the DFG build, or Luden's when DFG was removed. Rylai's was a nice mid or late game option when you needed more health to survive getting bursted. That's what I'd like Rylai's to be again: situational, not staple. It wasn't taken for the slow. Pre-buff Rylai's slow on AOE attacks weren't worth anything.)

I'm off for now, but I've enjoyed discussing my favourite champion with someone who actually structures their opinions. It's a shame we're on different servers.

TheLightBringer2 votes

I enjoyed our conversation as well! Maybe one day we could get to play together, it could be a nice day. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

TheLightBringer2 votes

I think the right buff on him could be a slow on each proc of his Q (not buffing his movement speed). This way he'll still be as kite-able, but will be greatly rewarded if he actually manages to get to his target, while also not having other juggernauts kiting him in lane trades, as you said.

BLACK REALM GOD5 votes

his W grants movement speed. he never has to actually be in combat so out of combat bonuses are pretty great on him

JustSeba3 votes

His W is horrible. Its way to situational, requires an ally in front of you, and lasts 4 seconds. The passive component is the best part of it, but otherwise weak, especially if you decide to go on a solo lane.

BLACK REALM GOD6 votes

any ally. that could be minions or things like shacos clone and boxes. even your cursed enemies.

the passive is actually the worst part of it because it's pretty much 24/7 pointless unless you're duo laning.

Stars Shaper5 votes

I like ganks. They give me at least 1 kill.

TheLightBringer5 votes

Your points are crossing the conclusions of what Azrael's saying (and I value his opinion about morde more than yours for various reasons) You're not happy with his W, I don't think it's because it's too strong assuming you're in for buffing morde, yet Azrael is claiming that the W is one of the less balanced tools on his kit right now. Besides, you want higher base stats on him so he won't be such an easy handling target, yet the mobility you complain about is the most exploitable on team fights, and not in Laning phase (don't even try saying that against ranged champions it is, because it is literally how it should be - ranged champion should bully melee champion in lane, it's one of the whole ideas of melee and ranged stats), except the fact that much more crucial things that come into consideration into whether to gank a lane or not is first and foremost how you act in lane (I would never gank anyone who are near their turret in early levels - which are the weakest points of mordekaiser due to his low base stats and the fact that his damaging abilities get ridiculously stronger the later the game it is), and another thing that comes into my mind before gainking is kill potential, which is totally screwed by the fact that when ganked, mordekaiser has a high chance to land his E on 2 targets and recover 30% of his shield (when e is just level 1 - and people are maxing his E first under some circumstances), leave the fact that his w heals him. So yea you're asking for higher base stats to make him not as much as an appealing target to ganking but in fact he has a lot of tools to survive a gank that champions with escapes (like zed or ezreal) that anyways can be predicted and countered, don't have. And we're still not finished, getting ganked has to do a lot with your play style as I mentioned, if you're constantly pushing and you're someone like morde Ofc you'll get ganked, and you should take that into consideration and perhaps not play as aggressive or whatever in lane, knowing that your champion has no escapes, in order to prevent that ganks incoming. That is called knowing your champions strengths and weaknesses, being able to understand what they truly mean and change your play style according to them, in order to perform the best on your champion. Written by a jungle main so you better take the tips about ganking to your heart. PS, you don't need to have 124 ranked games on morde throughout 6 years to know that.

MultiDarkPhoenix4 votes

you completely wrecked dis guy lul just learn you can't convince a main who cries over his main that hes wrong, give up

MultiDarkPhoenix3 votes

like he needs buffs with the ridiculous amounts of damage he can deal and take with only 2-3 ap items and the rest tanky. have you checked the scaling on his q and the base damage on his 10 seconds perma slow point and click high range ult? 25 / 30 / 35% (+ 4% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health

JustSeba3 votes

Another guy that never played ranked Morde, telling me how op he is. The way you're describing him, I though you had something like 100 games on him with 75%+ winrate.

MultiDarkPhoenix3 votes

lmao you speak like you have 5k games on him. 1 ranked game in 2011. 80 games in 2012 14 games in 2013 1 game in 2014 2 games in 2015. 26 games in 2016. 124 total games in ranked over 6 years and you talk like morde master. 50% winrate and 5.5/8/6.9 KDA with him. level 4 mastery on him.

another guy that plays a very powerful champion and complains that his champion actually has an exploitable weakness, after going 1/10/0 in a game with it.

JustSeba1 votes

Yeah, that's right 124 games, 6 years > 0 games, 0 seconds. Thanks for making my point for me.

TheLightBringer3 votes

The other guy who's speaking of his favor is making far less noise and repetitive claims that sound like they're coming from a bot. You should learn that quality from him if you want people to listen to you, because right now the way you talk seems like a desperate try to shake off a lot of reasonable points that were thrown at you and you did not react to, because they proved your point wrong and you know it.

JustSeba1 votes

No, simply because I have responded to all your points, yet your ''locked'' into your opinion. You can't help it. Opinions are strong things. Yet my research has unveiled quite a number of things about Mordekaiser: 1 - He's a juggernaut, yet squishier then champions like Soraka. 2 - Unlike Soraka, he isn't meant for the back lane. He's attacks are melee, his q is melee, his w is melee range, and his e is 675 (which isn't allot for a skill that originates from the champ), and his ulti is 650 range. You need to be in the front line to deal any dmg. 3 - Build Rylais you say? I do, every game. And its unhealthy forcing an item onto a champion. Its unhealthy forcing champions to build a certain path, because they need to make up for an overwhelming weakness. Build diversity is an important part of the game. 4 - He was meant to be immobile. Really? Why give him any movement speed at all is he was meant to be immobile. His base stats don't make up for it (Nr. 8 lowest health pool!). a - The fact that he was meant to be immobile doesn't mean its the best decision for the champion. Compare it with nautilus, same movement speed, but you get WAY better defensive stats, and you can use q to move around, plus you have tons of CC. You can R-E-Q and get away from a bad fight. With Mordekaiser, if a fight goes bad, that's it, you're dead. b - The fact that he was meant to be immobile doesn't mean he needs to have 325 ms. Darius is another immobile champion, and nobody complains about his 340 ms. Immobile means he has no escape mechanism, no dash, no ms speed. c - The fact that his immobile should be compensated for in other areas. Its no in his base stats, its not in his dmg output, he has no crowd control? Where is this compensation you speak of? 5 - I will always value the opinion of someone who plays Mordekaiser, as opposed to people who haven't. The same way I would rather have heart surgery at the hands of a doctor who's done it 20 times already (ranked!) as opposed to a novice who did it twice on a training dummy (normal!). You simply have no idea what you're saying. But I guess its more important for you to win this argument, instead of actually taking at look at the state of mordekaiser, and trying to promote changes that would be beneficial for the game. I've responded to all your ''reasonable'' points. Do some actual research. You won't even play him, and yet you think you're fit to judge his state.

TheLightBringer4 votes

Have you responded to all my points? You said I'd likely gank mordekaiser over Darius because has lower base stats. That's fucking ridiculous because the things junglers care about is how is the play style of the champion much more than his base stats. You push you get ganked, especially on an escape less champion, and that makes it your bad because you fail to analyze your champions weakness and play according to it. And yea ill gank Darius more than I'll gank morde because darius's play pattern is much more aggressive (lane bully, supposed to force opponent out of lane) than morde (survive lane and scale)

Soraka is a champion that her primary skill drains out a ton of her health, you'll be retarded if you expect soraka to start on 400 health. It's like expecting a champion whose primary resource bar is mana to start with low base mana.

Unlike morde, soraka has 2 seconds cool down on her primary skill that drains % of her maximum health, your point? You don't need to be in the front line to deal any damage, you need to be near an enemy champion to deal any damage.

You're complaining about morde having a core item. It's like a Cassio main would cry that he has to buy tear every game, a kennen main cry because he has to buy zhonya to survive or adcs to buy last whisper to be able to deal with tanks. Some champions have to buy some items to be much more viable. Morde is one of them isn't unhealthy to the game or to morde.

Mordekaiser was designed around being immobile, else riot wouldn't make him immobile, so stop crying about that seriously. "Why bring him movement speed at all" - such a tilted unserious question that shows your despair.

Guess nautilus was designed about being a really tanky submarine that can lock down people. Morde is different by any mean from morde, and it's utterly stupid to compare them to each other.

Where is the compensation I speak or? His damage is insane, he is much more tanky with his shield than other champions even though he had lower base stats, especially because he can recover his shield much more than most champions can naturally recover the +30-70 base health they get over him in beginnings. He also has a stupid amount of lane/map pressure with his ultimate, especially when now dragons are so prioritized and he is likely to get his hand on one and be able to force a tower with it if a minimum of 2 champions with good clear without risking being out of position appear in the lane and take it down, which applies global pressure. Also his teamfight potential is very strong and might cause very impactful consequences. Let's imagine they have Janna Ezreal as an enemy bot lane, which you know you have no chance to reach. Does that make you useless, like it would to many assassins/champions whose primary role is to get on top of enemy carry and kill it, and are just bad picks if they can't fulfill their role? No. Because you have your ultimate. And whether you throw it on the enemy tank and decimate it with your sick damage and bot lane, or throw it on the enemy assassin who climbs on your adc and decimate it even faster with your damage because they anyways didn't build resistance, you have another unit that is almost equal to a champion in your team, and even if you can't do much with it in the teamfight, the ghost survives for a whopping 45/60/75 seconds, enough time to brute force an objective with your team. For instance if your team had a teamfight and lost 2 and enemy team lost 2 as well, you're actually in a 4v3, and you can manipulate your ghost to earn an objective (aka herald, dragon, baron) which you couldn't do with another champion. And once you have that dragon objective secured on morde, you can, or better say MUST snowball this objective into another one aka turret or baron, and force enemy team into a really awkward position where they give up one (if well played you might as well force more than one) turret, or try to contest a baron with a dragon with nearly 3k hp and 300 damage on the enemy team. Suddenly the mobility problems seem mediocre to morde compared to what his opponents are facing. Oh yea I also forgot his totally insane dueling potential once he does get to a target, regardless of which target it is.

Right now it's seems to be you who have no idea what he's talking about, especially when you, an all glorious level 4 mastery on morde ask from a player with 0 morde ranked games to tell you what his strengths are.

JustSeba1 votes

I'm done with you. Its like trying to speak to a brick wall. I play all lanes, and am especially good at jungle. To say that Morde is a harder gank then Darius is ignorant. Which I guess you are. You shouldn't push? Give me some more general advice captain obvious. To say that Soraka needs a bigger staring pool is equally ignorant, since morde's skill cost Health, I'm assuming you didn't know that. Soraka has q specially designed to mitigate that problem. To say that you need to buy tear on cassiopeia is equally ignorant. I play her mid very much, and I prefer building her without tear. To say that Morde's dmg is insane is an uniformed and equally ignorant statement. You can't do a simple stat check it seems. Compare his dmg to Lux, Malza, Vel'koz, any mid laner who doesn't share his weakness. You very much enjoying speaking out of your rear end, and I've learned that such conversation is fruitless.

TheLightBringer2 votes

http://www.lolking.net/guides/40918

Take a look into this d3 Cassio guide, clearly saying tear is essential on Cassio now. Oh and he's currently sitting on nearly 370k points with her. Once again, like the rest of your points, proved wrong.

vampirekid131 votes

because neither vlad, which is wearing pretty much a robe, neither viktor, which is half robot doesnt have the ridiculously heavy armor mordekaiser is wearing, making him very slow due to the weight of it all.

JustSeba2 votes

He's a wraith! Possessing the suit of armour! Its not like its a man actually CARRYING it! FFS

vampirekid132 votes

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He's a wraith! Possessing the suit of armour! Its not like its a man actually CARRYING it! FFS

he's a wraith that hasnt worked out in quite a bit, if i had to take a guess.

IcyPepper3 votes

Have you seen that mace?

The guy obviously lifts.

vampirekid132 votes

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Have you seen that mace?

The guy obviously lifts.

He needs to drop lifting and start cardio

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