Why does deactivating Yasuo's shield not give me a kill?

The Great Divide·Aug 27, 2017·189 votes·5,353 views

I'm Anivia - Yasuo dives under tower to kill me. I pop his shield and then die. He dies. It counts as an execute for him.... Like I get I didn't "do any damage to him," but I still hit him. Like I don't get why this interaction is in place...

Edit: I know it's because I didn't affect their health bar. I was more "musing" into why this is seen as an okay mechanic. But wow, I've never made it to the front page before :D

2nd Edit: I don't hate Yasuo (I mean I find him frustrating but whatever). This is about shield interactions not "OMG Nurf Yasuo"

66 Comments

CochoAug 27, 201768 votes

on anyone with a shield, hitting their shield and doing nothing to their health bar doesn't count as you hitting them. It doesn't even stop their recall if you can't break the shield.

Not saying this is probably the best way for it to work, but that is how it works lol

Dr PoroAug 27, 20173 votes

didn't this get fixed yet?

2Charmnot2CharmAug 27, 20176 votes

Nope. Tried recalling under a tower last week in sandbox as lulu stacking shields on myself. Was able to keep the recall active for 6 seconds (the full duration of her E shield so i had nothing to prevent damage for the last two seconds).

5000000000000000Aug 27, 20177 votes

Maybe try with Malphite with a ton of HP/armor? The passive shield may work.

EDIT: It works, and I'll try to get the video uploaded soon.

xelakerAug 27, 20171 votes

doubt it for mal

5000000000000000Aug 27, 201731 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KubhweQPw0 O rly

jama655Aug 28, 201711 votes

u didnt let the last nexus shots connect SHAME.SHAME.SHAME

5000000000000000Aug 28, 20175 votes

Let's call that a cliffhanger

xelakerAug 28, 20172 votes

extenuating circumstances are extenuating haha. Buuuuuut, I was technically wrong. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

EeyoreAug 28, 20171 votes

They stated in V5.something that the intentional behavior is that shields won't protect recall, and they apparently fixed it then. However, some shields appear to be immune. Not all though. It's definitely a bug and not a feature of shields, considering it works for some but not for others.

Sire HippingtonAug 27, 201731 votes

Because for whatever reason, doing damage to a shield rather than the HP does not count as helping to kill an opponent. No matter if it's yasuo or another champ, if you don't do direct damage to the hp, you don't get any assist or kill. Imo it's very stupid that it works that way, especailly since you need to get through ~1500 shield if you want to burst an adc these days, and helping to burn through that shield for sure contributes to bursting him down....but eh, riot logic and stuff.

damage vs shields also isn't included in damage stats. It might be part of the 'selfmitigated damage' in damage taken now, but it certainly doesn't show in the damage dealt stats. And befor someone says 'damage dealt to shields sometimes has no impact at all', the same is true to poke damage vs high sustain. If you lane vs Vladimir, you will deal alot of damage to him, without really achiveing much.

Funfact: If you can keep shields up, you can regen with warmongs in fight, as only direct damage to your hp disables the regen effect.

ChaoticPineconeAug 28, 20172 votes

It can but doenst have to. Only a few shields last forever. Most shields have a duration element to.

If you dont break the shield before the duration runs out, did you really do anything to deserve an assist? Sure, you might throw 1000 damage into a 1500 shield. But if the remaining 500 breaks because the duration of the shield runs out, it doesnt matter if you did 0 damage or 1000 damage.

Sire HippingtonAug 28, 20179 votes

If you deal damage to aan adc with lifesteal that just gets back to full right after, did you really do anything to deserve an assist? If you did 200 damage to someone who was overkilled by 500damage from a veigar ult, did you really deserve an assist? The target would have died with or without your contribution... If we start nitpicking in such a way, things get out of hand. You did try to contribute as good as you could, you clearly participated in the fight, so you deserve the proper reward for those efforts. And i really hope for a mini thornmail or sunfire rune in S8, so tanks also get assists for tanking...

Whut Thuh Aug 28, 20171 votes

difference is that with lifesteal they actually have to do something to restore their life unlike shielding where the duration runs out and they have taken no damage

ChaoticPineconeAug 28, 20171 votes

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If you deal damage to aan adc with lifesteal that just gets back to full right after, did you really do anything to deserve an assist?

Yes - you did damage to them and youre forcing them to heal back up (or have someone heal them back up).

If you did 200 damage to someone who was overkilled by 500damage from a veigar ult, did you really deserve an assist? The target would have died with or without your contribution...

Yes, because you actually did do damage. Like in the above situation - you do 200 damage to someone, they walk up to autoattack to heal back up, and Veigar overkills them by 500 when they do.

YOURE the one nitpicking. Youre trying to create very very specific situations to minimize impact, and it all depends on how the game played out. Its impossible to tell without knowing the context.

But I can tell you that in every situation - whatever the context - when you do damage to a shield but not enough to break the shield, it wouldnt matter if you did the damage or not if the shield breaks due to duration instead of damage.

You did try to contribute as good as you could, you clearly participated in the fight, so you deserve the proper reward for those efforts.

Unfortunately, trying and effort doesnt get you assists. You 'participating' in the fight by running in and getting kited and killed before touching anyone doesnt count toward assists.

Now, that all said, there are certain situations that probably do deserve assists even if you dont break the shield - but that kind of specific scenario probably requires a lot of coding. In a perfect word, it might happen, but we cant expect everything in the game to work perfectly and be fair. But in general, throwing abilities into a shield shouldnt be enough to get assists.

WimbledofyAug 28, 20175 votes

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Yes - you did damage to them and youre forcing them to heal back up (or have someone heal them back up).

Same should also apply to damaging someone's shield then. You did damage to them or were about to do damage to them forcing them to use their shield, or in the case of someone with a passive shield like malph/yasuo you did damage to them/broke their shield.

It Hertz When IPAug 28, 20175 votes

You can be damn sure that if that 1500 shield the support dropped on their ADC was reduced to a 500 shield in a matter of a second, prompting the ADC to retreat before the enemy team followed up on that, that I'd consider that pretty damn significant.

ChaoticPineconeAug 29, 20171 votes

Heres the thing - some things in this game dont seem fair, but they are. Not damaging through a shield doesnt give assists - you might not like it, but its fair because it didnt directly help you get the kill if you didnt break that shield.

Its like how throwing zoning CC or blocking off a retreat doesnt give assists. Would it be nice to get an assist by throwing down a Veigar cage to force the enemy into a bad position? Sure. But then pretty much everything will be giving assists as long as youre nearby, since its too difficult to actually code every single possibility to see whether or not the Veigar did actually assist or was throwing abilities nearby randomly.

It Hertz When IPAug 29, 20172 votes

Those things you mentioned are difficult to code for. Counting shield damage towards an assist is NOT. And THAT is the difference. "There's no way to code properly to take into account zoning with abilities that don't connect" is a valid excuse by Riot for not getting assists from that, and for the most part I think everyone here's accepted that that's just a limitation of the game. Shielded damage not counting for an assist, though, is just lazy coding and a massive, easily fixed oversight with the Assist system.

Papa RinkyAug 28, 20171 votes

Mordekaiser's works the same exact way as shields. Not sure why you brought him up. You wont be knocked out of recall, etc

Sire HippingtonAug 28, 20171 votes

didn't test it for recalls and such, but i know for sure that Warmongs does get disabled if his shield gets damage which isn't the case with other shields like naut, so i asumed it worked that way for the rest aswell.

Edit: Just went through a test run, apparently warmongs gets disabled by damage on shields in general since the changes duering the tank update

SwiftKitten88Aug 27, 201714 votes

this is actually a valid concern... it really should.. recal is one thing.. not getting an assist is another

GigglesOAug 27, 20177 votes

I think recalls should still go through, it makes for some interesting gameplay. However I do see how not getting an assist is an issue.

SwiftKitten88Aug 27, 20173 votes

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I think recalls should still go through, it makes for some interesting gameplay. However I do see how not getting an assist is an issue.

yeah that pretty much exactly what i said

Glory ln DeathAug 28, 20171 votes

Yeah, it makes sense for recalls to work like that - it adds some funny interactions. But you should definitely be able to get assists by damaging shields.

Akali is SO HOTAug 27, 201713 votes

It happens for all shields. Pretty dumb tbh.

My HeartshakerAug 28, 20177 votes

It's not just Yasuo, I don't get why you had to solely pick him out.

It applies to EVERY shield.

Big Black CrocAug 28, 20172 votes

Or Mabey he didn't know it happens with other shields to.

The Great DivideAug 28, 20172 votes

This was the first time in my 3 years of playing this game this has happened, and it just happened to be Yasuo. If it was lux barrier, I'd probably be salty too. But also the fact that his shield appears after you hit him also played a bit into the "I hit him, why no reward?"

PePsiLemoNNAug 28, 20176 votes

Idk maybe cause that is how all shields work? Can't belive people still upvote Yasuo threads to frontpage lol

Big Black CrocAug 28, 20172 votes

Or Mabey he didn't know it happens to other shields to.

Glory ln DeathAug 28, 20175 votes

And yet, I can heal Viktor in bot lane with a Relic Shield proc and get an assist 10 seconds later when he one-shots Azir in mid, while I'm still bot.

Funny how the world works, huh?

VasilisGreenAug 27, 20174 votes

It would be the same if a Lux dove you for an AA and used Barrier to protect herself and you not completely breaking it. If you don't do damage to them, if their HP bar doesn't go down, they get executed. It happens with every single champion who got shielded. Hit or not, no damage was taken, thus, executed. Stop trying to find baseless reasons to hate on Yasuo because you're desperate for free upvotes.

AmazoXAug 28, 20173 votes

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It would be the same if a Lux dove you for an AA and used Barrier to protect herself and you not completely breaking it. If you don't do damage to them, if their HP bar doesn't go down, they get executed. It happens with every single champion who got shielded. Hit or not, no damage was taken, thus, executed. Stop trying to find baseless reasons to hate on Yasuo because you're desperate for free upvotes.

I don't understand why this was down-voted, Is the community really butt hurt here about the fact that this interaction also applies to other champions as well instead of ''ONLY YASUO''.

It Hertz When IPAug 28, 20175 votes

It's not a "butt-hurt" issue, though how nice of you to belittle other's opinions like that. It's a case of damage to shields not counting as an assist for God knows what reason and the community not liking that.

AmazoXAug 28, 20171 votes

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It's not a "butt-hurt" issue, though how nice of you to belittle other's opinions like that. It's a case of damage to shields not counting as an assist for God knows what reason and the community not liking that.

Your comment does not have any relevance related to my question about why was his comment even down-voted in the first place when he spoke nothing but the truth.

Glory ln DeathAug 28, 20172 votes

Because no one is complaining about Yasuo specifically. This is about shields in general.

AmazoXAug 28, 20173 votes

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Because no one is complaining about Yasuo specifically. This is about shields in general.

You and I know both know he was down voted because he spoke against the holy white knights who dislike Yasuo

devdev463Aug 28, 20174 votes

This shield bs was tilting me when I was playing reksai as well. I couldn't get reksais stupid ult proc off with my Q to jump on them because they were shielded... it's so dumb imo.

MooooooooreDakkaAug 28, 20171 votes

Didn't they change that? Or was this before the change?

An Enemy SutandoAug 28, 20173 votes

This isn't anything specific to Yasuo. For example, if you hit someone while they're recalling and if they have a shield, the recall won't be canceled as long as the shield isn't broken.

GorillaBearzAug 27, 20172 votes

This happened to me once and I fucking raged so hard

General Esdeath Aug 27, 20172 votes

Technically you did 0 damage to him. It's a similar case to if someone is backing and Janna shields them and you AA them. If you don't break the shield they still back.

Violet FieldsAug 28, 20172 votes

SHIELDS NOT ON THEIR HEALTH BAR.

I've killed someone as Mordekaiser and they auto attacked me, and when I died I got Executed. On someone like Tahm Kench who can basically make their entire health bar a shield, that doesn't count, I think.

Edit: Then I don't understand why Bard gets an assist when he ults someone who has Banshee's Veil and therefore not doing ANYTHING to them lol.

GhaAug 28, 20171 votes

The Bard ult makes sense, he removes the shield, allowing the killer to get in one more ability.

ZedexAug 28, 20172 votes

Its pretty wonky and I don't think shields should work like that, especially not Yasuo's. His is much harder to control then say a Lulu shield.

Papa RinkyAug 28, 20172 votes

PSA

On my experience, ALL shields work like this, not just yasuo shields.

m Mordekaiser Malphite do for sure. You can also take damage, and as long as the shield doesn't break, you wont be knocked out of recalls, warmogs, etc

137434Aug 28, 20172 votes

Probably the big reason is that deactivating the shield did nothing to help him die. Turret shots do not activate the shield, he would have died with the shield (flow) popped or not. Ironically by popping the shield you could have actually saved Yasuo in certain scenaros, as when the shield is active it will still absorb damage from the turret shot (the turret shot just doesn't activate the shield if Yasuo is at max flow).

Still a stupid outcome (not getting an assist) but that is likely the source of the issue in the coding.