riot stop going so dota

Knight SoIaire ·Oct 9, 2014·3 votes·1,203 views

i noticed that latest patches are rather bad lots of champions reduced to dust, right after nerf they fall to the bottom of the hell nidaele, lee sin, gragas, kassadin (he deserves it), evelyn, cassiopea after this patch i see yasuo joining them , sion looks fine but who knows most of latest nerfs are wrecking champions instead of reducing their power

rito pls contain your nerfs because you literaly cut the worthwhile champion pool to half of its former self in couple of past months

31 Comments

AQDOct 9, 20146 votes

How is this "going so dota"???

Knight SoIaire Oct 9, 20141 votes

dota (2) has lots of unique stuff on items etc so they dont have much champions played at tournaments because not everything works with the game (i didnt play dota much but i was readin a little )

PanwarOct 9, 20148 votes

ITT OP doesn't understand DOTA 2 or LOL.

SLangedEdgeOct 9, 20141 votes

Dota 2 Ti4 had like 90% of their hero pool played after the first 2 days. You are correct their items have a lot of unique utility on them, which allows you to pick more freely and farm for items to plug some of your short comings.

Also, dota is know for not nerf'n its heroes but rather buffing their strengths till you think its OP (its really not).

Deep Terror NamiOct 9, 20142 votes

Ok first, Lee Sin is still top tier jungler. Second, Cass was not nerfed, she was reworked. And Sion too; it's not a nerf, it's a brand new champion with one old ability intact.

Knight SoIaire Oct 9, 20142 votes

lee exists only in insanely high/lcs elo because they do the insec stuff meaning that lee has something besides his early game

cass rework was equal to nerf, all of her power was gated ins such a way that she almoust never gets it

Yandere CarryOct 9, 20142 votes

lee exists only in insanely high/lcs elo because they do the insec stuff meaning that lee has something besides his early game

cass rework was equal to nerf, all of her power was gated ins such a way that she almoust never gets it

You sucking at a champ is not a reason to buff them or say they are weak.

Knight SoIaire Oct 9, 20141 votes

You sucking at a champ is not a reason to buff them or say they are weak.

yeah explains why 90% of lee sins i see does barely more than carrying a sightstone

if you want to talk about cass just compare her to other midlaners there are examples of easier and stronger in every phase of the game midlaners not to mention that they are usualy more mobile or have longer range

i wont call anything weak if i wont see it suck most of the time

Yandere CarryOct 9, 20141 votes

i wont call anything weak if i wont see it suck most of the time

Bronze elo players suck at a lot of champs. Again, it's not a good example. I have an example of a champ who is weak early and mid... And scales hard lategame.

Ryze; he is seen a lot more now top, but he is still mid on occasion. The reason I use him is because he sucks ass early game, but in lower levels of play people don't realize it because they don't understand his weaknesses... ergo they can't exploit them properly.

Deep Terror NamiOct 9, 20141 votes

I only played her a few times (and love her btw) and it seems as though mid game, getting the second tier passive is fairly easy unless you totally suck at keeping poison on during laning. The third and final tier you will definitely have before full build. The final tier is the only hard one, and I would argue it's less important than the second one because it has a whopping 25% CDR which allows you to pass on CDR items.

But hey, Riot may see fit to lower the required stacks, couldn't hurt.

Edit: Ya, I bought Lee and tried to Insec kick. Bots wrecked me. But honestly, every Lee I've played with had no issues.

Knight SoIaire Oct 9, 20141 votes

riot will buff cassio (they said so) but the entire rework was about giving cassio late game power while making her early game weak and indeed casisos early game is not outshinning but her late is medicore in my opinion, not to mention that some champions scale faster and harder despite better early game it just makes her look underwhelming

Edit: Ya, I bought Lee and tried to Insec kick. Bots wrecked me. But honestly, every Lee I've played with had no issues.

this confuses me you are silver III and you meet insecing lee sins while im gold I (was even a plat for some time but fell due to sucking) and i never even saw insec kick in game besides sloppy side kick or insec kick to safety (they tried but failed hard, so do i when i play lee )

Deep Terror NamiOct 9, 20141 votes

Not everybody in a certain tier belongs there. Every time I get back into S2 I start playing against Gold's, too.

Knight SoIaire Oct 9, 20141 votes

Not everybody in a certain tier belongs there

its prooven to be otherwise

if those lee sins in your elo are doing insec kicks then they are plat already or were simply smurfin

Yandere CarryOct 9, 20141 votes

or you're just a salty summoner using confirmation bias

Knight SoIaire Oct 10, 20141 votes

im just a salty summoner who asked his lower elo friends to borrow him an account for couple of games and noticed that its much easier to win them also im a salty summoner who noticed that all of the smurfs get to their original elo on other accounts

it just is like this, you play better so you win more = you get higher in the elo

Yandere CarryOct 10, 20141 votes

thats against the rules and a very bannable offense. Riot does not take kindly to account sharing or elo boosting.

Knight SoIaire Oct 10, 20141 votes

then what about all the pros who stream themselves smurfing

one account was literaly for 2 games while the rest of the accouunts i played was inactive because my friends stopped playing lol (thye had some champs unlocked why should it go to waste )

stilli gave you a logical and proven argument

Yandere CarryOct 10, 20141 votes

1- no you didn't

2- Smurfing does not equal boosting/account sharing.

3- they still weren't your accounts.

4- Wingsofdeathx smurfed on a donated account. Riot found out and it was immediatelly banned. It doesn't leave room for exceptions.

Knight SoIaire Oct 11, 20141 votes

ok still i proved the fact that a guy from higher elo (more skilled) wont be keept down in lower elo

Yandere CarryOct 14, 20141 votes

You proved nothing. It is common knowledge that your rank will gradually increase to your actual skill level. What is your point? It's not like people are placed in the exact spot they belong 100% of the time. Your argument has no real point behind it.

Knight SoIaire Oct 14, 20141 votes

It is common knowledge that your rank will gradually increase to your actual skill level.

true

It's not like people are placed in the exact spot they belong 100% of the time.

if by spot you mean a specific division then yes they will get there, if you mean exact amount of lp then its almoust not possible

there are no hidden diamond players in silver besides smurfs, smurfs will vanish from there in couple of games, while normal silver ppl have to advance slowly by raising their skills

CenturosOct 10, 20142 votes

Wait, movespeed reduction will make Yasuo, the guy with a spammable dash, trash?

XyltinOct 9, 20141 votes

Nidalee is still stong. She wasn't that good out of diamond before and won't be it, because you need to know what you build and how to play her.

Gragas is also still good. They could reduce the W costs a bit back, down to 20-25 and I think he would be fine.

Lee Sin is still the most picked jungler in the competitive scene. Higher win rate and higher pick/ban rate at the WCS than K'Z, and that means something. His overall pick rate is also one of the highest in teh game. 45% win rate in ranked with a more than 30% pick rate doesn't say much. Take 20% of these 30% away (the worst 20%) and you get a 10% normal pick rate with probably a 55% win rate instead. High popularity always lowers the win rate.

Kass has a horrible early and only a decent mid game, that is all. As a late game champ, he is still awesome. Problem is that popular ADCs (I mean you, Trist) are way stronger late game.

Cass is not that bad, for a champ that is not meant to be good against the current meta champs. Syndra, Xerath, Trist, Braum, ... . She is a champ that is best in a counter engage comp or a kiting comp. She shreds the front line, so when it comes to front line vs front line (we need bruisers or tanks back top), she is the mid laner that shreds the enemies faster and she has no downtime. She also protects the ADC from dives.

Eve doesn't have a good time, but her invisibility still gives her an advantage when picked at the right time. She is not horrible, but champs like Lee easily counter her, and If she can not invade an Amumu early, he will be able to fight her all the time later and probably wins.

These champs are not top priority picks (except for Lee), but they are all still good and win games in the right hands.

Azir with his 39% win rate is a decent pick for some high elo players, and that before 4.18. High skill cap, not known by too many and has a lot of possible item builds and playstyles. Now, with all the bugs fixed and 2 pretty good buffs (nearly 10% more AS and that also from items and CDR) he could be a monster in higher elo. I don't expect his win rate to go up above 50%, but that often comes due to players trying to learn such a champ because they see streamers doing good with him.

Knight SoIaire Oct 9, 20141 votes

i dont say that those champions do nothing but that they do less or rather require more to do as much as the others

and azirs winrate was dictated by the bugs he had (most of the time he literaly did no dmg cause skills were bugged, or ppl just walked through his ult ) now when most is fixed ppl will exploit his insane late game (eating a tank costs azir maybe 100 mana)

as a champion he is fine (but the buggs)

These champs are not top priority picks (except for Lee), but they are all still good and win games in the right hands.

but those hands could pick something else and win more games with less eforts (thats my point, riot nerfs everything to the point where it takes a pro to stand up to others with this champ, lee is picked to abuse insec kick , because his early power ends insanely fast, thats why most popular build for lee is utility oriented, to fill the blank space )

you just tell me what those champions can do but i would like you to compare them to others in terms of power, skill required to play, and usages for instance vi can be a better peeler or engager than lee sin while she scales much harder, she is a lot easier but less forgiving than lee (once vi makes a bad engage there is no jumping out ) thats why i would always pick vi over lee sin because i personaly think that she offers more

XyltinOct 9, 20141 votes

but those hands could pick something else and win more games with less eforts (thats my point, riot nerfs everything to the point where it takes a pro to stand up to others with this champ, lee is picked to abuse insec kick , because his early power ends insanely fast, thats why most popular build for lee is utility oriented, to fill the blank space )

you just tell me what those champions can do but i would like you to compare them to others in terms of power, skill required to play, and usages for instance vi can be a better peeler or engager than lee sin while she scales much harder, she is a lot easier but less forgiving than lee (once vi makes a bad engage there is no jumping out ) thats why i would always pick vi over lee sin because i personaly think that she offers more

Sure, but there are always champs that are easier picks or better. Still, people get to diamond 1 (with their mains) playing only a champ that doesn't even get a 50% win rate. It is not about a champ being good, but about how well you can master him. I could never play Lee Sin or Akali. But Darius, Riven, K'Z or Cho are champs I like. Do I care that they are not that great picks? No. I can play them better than an Amumu or Rammus.

Knight SoIaire Oct 10, 20141 votes

points are valid but its more about ballance than skill some champs just require loads of skill while they are all ballanced to give you the same amount of power when you play them to their full extent (ballance according to lcs )

Yandere CarryOct 9, 20141 votes

Vi has shitty peel.

Knight SoIaire Oct 10, 20141 votes

depnds on how did she do early game if she got fed she will just lash at the guy who atacked the carry other champions can indeed do better but she can still be effective

Yandere CarryOct 10, 20141 votes

Thats my point. Not just other champs... Shittons of other champs. Renekton does not have good peel. He has a stun.. but that doesn't mean he is good at peeling.