I feel like Zeal items have to low of combine costs for how much of a power spike they are currently

Irelia Bot··3 votes·579 views

Let us look at Phantom dancer during the Nami patch compared to now

Nami Patch phantom dancer 2800 gold 50% attack speed 30% crit chance 5% movement speed Unique passive: Avoid Unit Collision

Current Phantom dancer 2550 gold 45% attakc speed 30% crit chance 5% movement speed UNIQUE – SPECTRAL WALTZ: Grants Ghost ghosting and +7% movement speed while within 500 units of a visible enemy champion. UNIQUE – LAMENT: Grants 12% damage reduction against the last enemy champion hit (ends after 10 seconds out-of-combat).

Why does an item lose 5% attack speed and avoiding unit collision and then gain 2 really strong passives while costing 250 gold less?

And it is not jsut PD but Hurricane as well

Also Nami patch Runaan's Hurricane: 2750 gold 70% attack speed Unique passive: Your basic attacks fire minor bolts at 2 nearby targets, each dealing 10 + 50% of your Attack Damage. These apply on-hit effects.

Runaan's Hurricane today: 2600 gold +40% attack speed +7% movement speed +30% critical strike chance UNIQUE: +15 on-hit physical damage UNIQUE – WIND'S FURY: When Basic attacking, bolts are fired at up to 2 enemies near the target, each dealing 25% AD physical damage. Bolts can Critical strike critically strike and apply on-hit effects.

Both of these items offer more power now compared to several years ago but cost less overall.

Might Zeal items need a higher combine cost given they are generally intended for the class that historically is suppose to peak in power mid to late game?

7 Comments

WoonStruck1 votes

All need to be at least 400g more.

B00B001 votes

now list the items that can be built to nullify them for the same prices.

tank items / defensive items are mainly cheap, the items are fine.

Irelia Bot1 votes

They do not scale as hard into late game and I am having to put down 2900 gold for an omen which is in general the best counter to zeal items.

B00B001 votes

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They do not scale as hard into late game and I am having to put down 2900 gold for an omen which is in general the best counter to zeal items.

the best way If you just need more Survivability to build against against critical strikes is; you will need armor, health and an attack speed slow since critical strike is usually bought by champions whose damage also depend on attack speed.

so Frozen Heart Randuins Omen Thornmail

you then still leave yourself open for MR or damage items, you could also think of taking exhaust if in champ select you know the team is going to be crit reliant.

Penns1 votes

They arent really a big powerspike alone at all tho, you do no dmg with them (unless you are Yasuo).

PrinceOfStorms2 votes

Cait powerspikes pretty hard when she finishes Hurricane.

Radiant Wukong1 votes

I'll admit that new PD is God tier, but most champs that aren't ADC don't really have a kit for AS/crit outside of Tryndamere Yasuo Irelia
People choose to build it on other champs, but they're less effective with it.

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