How Do I Counter Build A Master Yi?

ItsOrval··1 votes·6,066 views

I main Jayce, and I have tried different builds against Yi, but he still just does too much damage.

I have tried these builds and theyve all failed.

  • item 3142 item 3156 item 3047 item 3814 item 3071 item 3068
  • item 3142 item 3156 item 3047 item 3814 item 3071 item 3043
  • item 3142 item 3156 item 3047 item 3814 item 3071 item 3147

I had a bit of success with the first one, but he still did 90% of my health before i killed him. And that was under tower.

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Jbels5 votes

You're Jayce, just burst his ass down

GeminiRune1 votes

Not gonna lie. Probably the funniest comment I've read for a question I wondered myself.

PermabannedGaren6 votes

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You're Jayce, just burst his ass down

If it's late game this isn't possible. There is not a single scenario where Jayce can beat Master Yi 1v1 when both are full build, which is what OP seems to be implying. Jayce could have three infernals, baron, and elder dragon, and the fight could be under Jayce's turret. Master Yi would still probably win.

The champions just scale differently. Yi scales considerably better, especially as a duelist.

Jbels1 votes

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If it's late game this isn't possible. There is not a single scenario where Jayce can beat Master Yi 1v1 when both are full build, which is what OP seems to be implying. Jayce could have three infernals, baron, and elder dragon, and the fight could be under Jayce's turret. Master Yi would still probably win.

The champions just scale differently. Yi scales considerably better, especially as a duelist.

Why would you be 1v1ing?

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Why would you be 1v1ing?

Why are you asking me? Ask the OP. Though frankly Yi is also stronger in team fights. Jayce is a bad joke late game.

ItsOrval1 votes

Cant, he ults, Q's on you (making you unable to target him of course), then 3 hits im at 10% health

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

Don't duel a duelist; you are just playing to his strengths.

Group up, lock him down as a team and kill him whenever he tries to contribute.

Glîtchy3 votes

Best method....

item 3047 item 3047 item 3047 item 3047 item 3047 item 3047

ItsOrval2 votes

Thanks, worked great

Sky of Smiles2 votes

Yi will kill Jayce when he's in Highlander mode which lasts for 7 seconds.

If Yi shows up and Alpha Strikes a minion wave with you nearby, you have anywhere from 14-5 seconds to abuse your range on him cause that is his primary gap closer.

You'll need to use Acceleration Gate to keep your distance from him especially if he uses Highlander to gap close. If he does get close to you with either Highlander speed or Alpha Strike, you need to be in Hammer form and use Thundering Blow to keep your distance from him.

item 3156 - this doesn't help you vs Master Yi item 3814 - same as above item 3143 - this is the best item you can get on Jayce vs Master Yi. Do not use the active until after Master Yi's Highlander mode ends.

Assuming he burns Alpha on a minion wave and then tries to get close to you with his Highlander ulti, you have like 2seconds before he can Alpha towards you. You need to pop Accel Gate during the Alpha animation (if he does manage to Alpha towards you because you didn't Gate away fast enough) and then Hammer form to use Thundering Blows on him (this will do a small chunk of damage to him). This will give you another 2 seconds.

Switch modes whenever you can as that will also boost your speed a little. The key to this fight is to stall out his Highlander ulti by keeping your distance. Since you're buying item 3142 in each of your builds, I assume that's like your core as opposed to having item 3042 which means you'll have a speed active to help in this strat.

At most, you will basically have to deal with two Alphas. If he is all-in'ing you to chase you with everything he has, then like vs Riven (although bigger windows), you retaliate when all his shit is burned. Your final mode after surviving Yi with this approach should be Cannon form. Orb walk with or without W, EQ his face and chase him down, Hammer his face in, whatever. If you bought Randuins + Ninja Tabi, you can kill him if he couldn't do much vs you when he was in Highlander mode.

tl;dr: Abuse CDs, speed ups/downs, and range.

420 grams2 votes

You're talking full build, which is where shines. You're supposed to beat him early and mid game when you're jayce

69469238DEL12 votes

Don't 1v1 Yi late game.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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I main Jayce, and I have tried different builds against Yi, but he still just does too much damage.

I have tried these builds and theyve all failed.

  • item 3142 item 3156 item 3047 item 3814 item 3071 item 3068
  • item 3142 item 3156 item 3047 item 3814 item 3071 item 3043
  • item 3142 item 3156 item 3047 item 3814 item 3071 item 3147

I had a bit of success with the first one, but he still did 90% of my health before i killed him. And that was under tower.

As I said, you essentially don't. You can not beat Master Yi by yourself late game as Jayce, or as most champions, and you are not meant to be able to itemize against Yi's damage. He has, bar none, the best DPS in the game.

Grimspeake1 votes

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As I said, you essentially don't. You can not beat Master Yi by yourself late game as Jayce, or as most champions, and you are not meant to be able to itemize against Yi's damage. He has, bar none, the best DPS in the game.

Captain obvious here, want more advice? Work with your jungler and invade/ward him early game. As a jayce you shouldnt be letting the game go to late either. Anymore obvious stuff we need to tell them

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Captain obvious here, want more advice? Work with your jungler and invade/ward him early game. As a jayce you shouldnt be letting the game go to late either. Anymore obvious stuff we need to tell them

I don't need any advice friend. I'm a Yi main, I don't play Jayce.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

As far as lategame goes, you don't. Yi will easily 1v1 any champion who doesn't have hard CC.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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As far as lategame goes, you don't. Yi will easily 1v1 any champion who doesn't have hard CC.

I'm reasonably sure that Tryndamere can beat Yi late game. Yi's might if he can kite Tryndamere's ult out with his MS boost, but I honestly doubt it can be done against a competently built Tryndamere.

The Sword Saint1 votes

I'm pretty sure it was demonstrated a while ago that yi wins all of these full build 1v1s between lategame carries like trynd, jax, fiora, yi when you have two master+ players. For trynd he would just burst down trynd and disengage with his ult until trynds ult ran off, then come back and kill him since yi cant be slowed by trynds shout when ulting. He also has the option of meditate tanking some of trynds damage. It turns out that the mathchup isn't even remotely close if trynd doesn't come to the fight with rage fully stacked, and even then if yi and trynd both took combat summoners trynd gets fucked by exhaust which doesn't work on yi.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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I'm pretty sure it was demonstrated a while ago that yi wins all of these full build 1v1s between lategame carries like trynd, jax, fiora, yi when you have two master+ players.

Where? And what did they build?

For trynd he would just burst down trynd

Tryndamere bursts harder unless Yi goes for a crit build, and if Yi goes for a crit build he's going to be killed in two or three auto attacks by Tryndamere.

and disengage with his ult until trynds ult ran off, then come back and kill him since yi cant be slowed by trynds shout when ulting.

Tryndamere's E with 40% CDR has a 5 second cooldown, which means that, against melee opponents, the cooldown is effectively zero since Yi can't escape Tryndamere before it's up again, and combined with phage if he goes black cleaver he should be able to stick on Yi IMO. Though I haven't played in a while and cleaver might not be so hot on Tryndamere anymore.

He also has the option of meditate tanking some of trynds damage.

This much is true.

It turns out that the mathchup isn't even remotely close if trynd doesn't come to the fight with rage fully stacked,

Tryndamere at full build has 85% crit right off the bat. He needs less than half of his fury bar to be full. He is not likely to miss a crit.

By contrast, Yi actually does need to stack his guinsoo's rageblade for maximum effectiveness.

and even then if yi and trynd both took combat summoners trynd gets fucked by exhaust which doesn't work on yi.

No, but ignite does, given his relatively low health and his reliance on drain-tanking. Yi would also be deprived of flash, unless you're saying that Yi is going to forgo smite and deprive himself of bloodrazor and red smite?

The Sword Saint1 votes

It was a forum thread from a while ago that also linked some example youtube videos of people attempting the matchup. I'd link it if I had it off hand.

Mechanics aside however it sounds like it's pointless to even discuss this without an agreed upon optimal current meta build for the fight for each of the champions.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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It was a forum thread from a while ago that also linked some example youtube videos of people attempting the matchup. I'd link it if I had it off hand.

Mechanics aside however it sounds like it's pointless to even discuss this without an agreed upon optimal current meta build for the fight for each of the champions.

Sure is. I would not be surprised if this video was from before CDR Tryndamere became a thing.

Sasogwa1 votes

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I'm reasonably sure that Tryndamere can beat Yi late game. Yi's might if he can kite Tryndamere's ult out with his MS boost, but I honestly doubt it can be done against a competently built Tryndamere.

Nah, Yi well built destroys Trynd. Just meditate through Trynd's ult. item 3047 item 3143 + 70% damage reduction is enough to survive a full crit Trynd with item 3033 . And Trynd has no interest in building tanky as Yi is the best tankmelter in the game

Yi can go (top build) item 3153 item 3124 item 3046 item 3047 item 3143 + even a MR item if he wishes (jg build) : same except replace PD with item 1419

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

You can always pick a item 3026 and cross your fingers that your team comes to the rescue.

Papa Andrei1 votes

Well honestly, you can't our dps him without full crit w max. Bursting him only works if he went full as crit squishy.

So basically to fight him 1v1 you need Siege mode Jayce and to find him first. Poke jim down and Q hammer run away. If you can't kill him with Siege mode, you are cucked

The Sword Saint1 votes

If you're both at 6 items you have already lost and there's no point trying to 1v1 him.

ItsOrval1 votes

Even early game I lose against him when he gets item 1419. He dove my tower and killed me, and the tower doesnt target him when he presses Q.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

Thornmail?? Or even Randuin Omen. Sure it's not ideal on Jayce but if you need to be able to solo kill a yi late game, that's your answer

Commando Yi1 votes

why are you trying to 1v1 a melee duelist as a ranged burst/poke champion?

ItsOrval1 votes

Not trying to 1v1 him. I will be under my tower and a wild Yi comes in with an ult, Qs me, then killds me in 4 hits with only 2 items.

Commando Yi1 votes

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Not trying to 1v1 him. I will be under my tower and a wild Yi comes in with an ult, Qs me, then killds me in 4 hits with only 2 items.

if you thought you were safe as a lone squishy under tower during the late game then you don't quite understand how the game works yet

there is a very very large list of champions who will kill you much quicker than yi for a mistake like that during the late game and there is nothing you can do about it once you've put yourself in that position

ItsOrval1 votes

Kills me in 4 hits with only 2 items

Its not late game.

Sol Invictus1 votes

Play Graves instead and kill everybody because Graves

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