Ziggs was Overnerfed

GGumby·1/7/2015, 10:30:04 PM·5 votes·1,679 views

Season 3 everyone thought I played a troll champ. Season 4 everyone said I was just following trends. Season 5 and everyone thinks Ziggs is a troll champ.

In case everyone forgot, Ziggs was only in the spotlight for about a couple months, and it was mainly due to a few specific buffs he got.

  • QoL buff to his Q, allowing it to be cast outside the indicator range.
  • Ult does bonus damage to minions
  • Increased range to his W
  • Double Damage to minions on Minefield (or something like that, whatever it was, it was rediculous)

Now that Ziggs could turtle even harder than an Anivia with half the mana costs, everyone picked him up and he hit the pro scene quickly. And this, of course, led to a very painful downfall of Ziggs, right back into the rarely-played category.

Now I'll admit, with these buffs he became very strong, especially with the latter two buffs he got with that patch. And I'll even admit that most of the nerfs he got were even justified, as much as it pains me to say.

Nerfs (going from memory here)

  • Decreased Minefield damage to minions (justified)
  • Reduced passive damage early game (I can live with this)
  • Reduced movement speed (I can live with this)
  • Increased his Ult CD to a flat 120 seconds at all levels (Ouch, well ok)
  • Reduced auto attack range (Really? Well alright)

But the one nerf I can't see justified one bit **- Smaller Q Radius. ** ...really?

The main, main reason Ziggs was never played before his short rise and fall to fame was "Unreliable Damage." Now nerfing back the increased radius of his W, now a huge AoE knockback, I'd completely see as justified. But his Q, his one and only somewhat reliable damage, depending on your aim, of course, is now like half the size it used to be.

I can think of countless other casters with a similar Q that currently have an even larger AoE than Ziggs' old Q, but they are allowed to stay the same. Yet Ziggs, due to his painfully short moment in the spotlight, is nerfed into the pooper. Again, I feel all nerfs could be seen as justified, but reducing the size of his Q was one step way too far.

Ziggs is weaker now than he was in Season 3.

8 Comments

Fadedpf1/7/2015, 10:45:38 PM2 votes

Why is this getting downvoted. He is out classed by even Velkoz . His mana costs are super high, he goes oom before he has a chance to balance his cs and harass. He almost never gets fed by his laner because he doesnt do enough damage/ gets constantly dodged. This assassin meta is toxic, mages want decent laning phases too. But no any thread stating a valid point that isnt NERFSONA gets downvoted to fuck.

ClatoVerataNicto1/7/2015, 11:09:18 PM2 votes

Ziggs can still farm safely, and thrives (does tons of damage) in teamfights. Whats the problem?

Epilogue of Life1/7/2015, 11:50:04 PM1 votes

They shoulda removed all poke/turtle oriented champions from this game.

GGumby1/9/2015, 4:20:31 AM1 votes

I actually want to encourage a bit more conversation on Ziggs here. So far I've only gotten a "nah he's fine" or a "he's outclassed."

Anyone else care to chime in?

ME PLAY TETRIS1/13/2015, 10:24:25 PM1 votes

I think ziggs has been over nerfed too since that his q radius and damage has been nerfed if the kept his q like it was before.

Meep Man1/7/2015, 11:21:42 PM1 votes

Ziggs is the bomb

TeemoHunter13371/7/2015, 10:32:51 PM1 votes

ziggs not overnerfed.

its just the assassin meta and other champs can do what he does but better(cc or better late game)

things like

zed buffs and fizz/azir/xerath/syndra all just overshadow him.