Lack of M Pen items and searchability in the shop

KAAAAAAAYN DO··1 votes·704 views

With the change from Flat Pen to Lethality a lot of people have been talking about builds, but something that isn't being talked about is why Penetration as a stat is not searchable in the in game shop. Just like crit or armor or lifesteal, pen should be a category to filter items by.

And on that tangent, Magic Pen is something that is currently lacking in the game. Sure we have Sorc shoes and Void staff, but Liandry's Torment is in such a bad spot no one buys it, and as a mage when you fight a squishy assassain like zed or yasuo and they have upwards of 160 mr because they have merc scim, edge of night and a maw how are you supposed to deal with that now that abyssal just gives a flat damage buff and doesn't help you deal with those ad threats? Possibly a black cleaver like item but an ap version? A way to reduce mr over time by a scaling value so as not to encounter the same problem with flat pen builds of last patch.

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Very Hard Engage3 votes

honestly, id sac all the hp on liandires, give it 100 total ap, and maybe adjust cost to make it a full damage item, atm you want raw ap, liandires doesn't give that making even ludens (shudders) better for damage.

the only people who can use liandries are those who can really abuse it, thats why the item is kept so far down. brand, swain, malz, rumble.

but all of that could be mitigated if they limited number of applications or made it on a per ability only basis, internal cd etc etc.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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honestly, id sac all the hp on liandires, give it 100 total ap, and maybe adjust cost to make it a full damage item, atm you want raw ap, liandires doesn't give that making even ludens (shudders) better for damage.

the only people who can use liandries are those who can really abuse it, thats why the item is kept so far down. brand, swain, malz, rumble.

but all of that could be mitigated if they limited number of applications or made it on a per ability only basis, internal cd etc etc.

So u wanna gut the item just so u can have more of a stat u don't even need?

Very Hard Engage2 votes

mpen goes very nicely with ap. im failing to see how it would be "gutted" maybe for those melees who actually need the hp, but a big upgrade for 90% of the roster and it would become an item to consider.

the people who buy it right now only care about the tick damage and reapplying it as many times as possible.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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mpen goes very nicely with ap.

U don't say~

[zombie-brand-clap]

im failing to see how it would be "gutted" maybe for those melees who actually need the hp,

answering your own damn question there.

but a big upgrade for 90% of the roster and it would become an item to consider.

It would become ubiquitous instead of situational, which is bad for the games health.

the people who buy it right now only care about the tick damage and reapplying it as many times as possible.

that is the entire identity of the item.

You are trying to turn a tick damage item into a stat item and screw over every champ that got the item for its intended purpose just do u can have more of a stat u don't even need, just cuz it sounds nice to have more pen.

It's stupid.

The obscene amounts of AP in the game and minute in comparison to Armor amounts of Magic resist make large amounts of Magic Pen superfluous, especially when the allround Magic Resist reduction item ignores total MR instead of Bonus like Last Whisper and its upgrades do, as well as AP champions scaling harder off AP than AD champs do on AD.

U dont need more Magic Pen.

Very Hard Engage2 votes

yes we need more magic pen.

heres a thought, turn the item from its current queso state into something everyone could use and gain a powerspike from?

regardless of the things i suggested, the item right now, is terrible except for 4 champs. why not a good item for everyone?

because you wouldn't like it isn't a reason.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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yes we need more magic pen.

No you really don't. Please tel me what for?

heres a thought, turn the item from its current queso state into something everyone could use and gain a powerspike from?

That logic does not promote player choice and game health. It just makes an item ubiquitous.

There is a reason item 3285 was nerfed after its release. Riot specifically stated that the issue with the item was that it was just good on everyone for everything and thus the answert to "should i get this item" went from "yes because it will allow me to do X" to just "yes"

This is what you are trying to do to Liandy's.

Liandries is perfectly usable on every ap champ right now. What it isn't is 100% optimal with all their kits, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I mean christ, do u wanna change Nashors and triforce now just so that Every champ can use it effectively? it's stupid logic.

regardless of the things i suggested, the item right now, is terrible except for 4 champs.

It really isn't.

The following is a list of champions that Liandry's in it's current state is powerful on: Malzahar Brand Cassiopeia Singed Rumble AurelionSol Taliyah Azir Amumu DrMundo {Zyra Shaco Teemo Vladimir Zac Ziggs Swain Morgana Heimerdinger Evelynn Elise Anivia Katarina

All of these champions benefit greatly from Liandry's in it's current state.

The following is a list of champs that don't synergise very well with it but can still use it effectively: Lux Lulu Nautilus Bard Ezreal Karma Lissandra Leona MissFortune Syndra Shyvana Orianna Nunu Kassadin Nidalee Rammus Viktor Velkoz Mordekaiser Kennen Fizz Fiddlesticks Veigar

^these champions can either use it to do substantial residual damage via artillery AP based chunking or have 1 or 2 tricks that really benefit from it in its current state.

These cases however are of course situational, but that is a good thing, as it promoted making decisions based on the scenario as opposed to just picking it because it is always good.

why not a good item for everyone?

read the above points.

because you wouldn't like it isn't a reason.

Keep telling yourself this.

I actually main both Mid lane and Support. from a purely selfish perspective, something like that would be awesome, but it would also come at the cost of game balance, which would potentially result in many of my champions getting nerfed, just to keep a terrible idea in the game. And that is a trade I am not willing to make.

Very Hard Engage2 votes

if its so great build it yourself and win games. pro tip, you wont.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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"I have no argument after getting proverbially bodybagg'd so ima just BM like a 12 year old"

Very Hard Engage2 votes

show me.

better yet, tell me how many liandires torments were bought at worlds? oh right, 4th item rumble or never.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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show me.

better yet, tell me how many liandires torments were bought at worlds? oh right, 4th item rumble or never.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Are you gonna tell me ignite is shit now because at worlds, mid laners were taking Ghost instead? Retarded logic.

And anyone above tinfoil would be able t see this bs a while away "lol da pros dun us it at wurldz so ets bed" What are u 12?

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