5 man melee quest does exactly what Riot said they wouldn't

KAAAAAAAYN DO·Oct 5, 2017·203 votes·5,364 views

Riot, when releasing quests, said they did not want to make quests reward players for doing things that would either A, be detrimental to the game (such as encouraging afk farming or troll picks) or B, would create unfun experiences. This new quest, play a 5 man melee comp, does exactly that. Sure, some people enjoy doing troll comps with friends however a lot of players don't. And forcing them to play a comp like this AND win to complete a quest like this seems absurd and against the values the team specifically stated at it's introduction.

106 Comments

notice me Sin piOct 5, 201744 votes

if it's a team of PREMADE 5 people who are all trying to get the exact same mission done, then i dont think it's going to be that detrimental. I do agree with the concept of requiring PREMADES very unfun however.

Mysticman89Oct 5, 201717 votes

The hiccup is that you will not necessarily face a similar 5 man premade, and the other 5 man may have been expecting a more conventional match up.

Playing 5 melee against 5 ranged (or at least, a mix of ranged/melee) is potentially far less fun than butting heads with like minded players.

Also, 5 people trying to do the mission aren't necessarily enjoying themselves if they feel they 'have' to do it. They're willing, but it can be a bad experience.

kile147Oct 5, 20173 votes

I have managed to get 5 people together for this mission twice now and both times we lost, because winning this game without a ranged ADC is kinda hard. Even if you do well in lane you eventually fall off because a team relying on Yasuo for damage gets gimped really hard because of how hard a Yas is to protect, especially since all champs who are designed to directly protect carries (enchanters) are all ranged. I don't want to try again but I want to complete the quest.

I think it would be slightly better if it was:

Win a PvP Summoners Rift Game as a 5 man premade

AND

Complete a PvP Summoners Rift Game as a 5 man premade with no ranged characters on your team

They would both be mildly frustrating and it could still be theoretically be completed in one game, but this way if you can't win as a 5 man melee at least you only have to do that once then you can just focus on winning.

GigglesOOct 6, 20173 votes

idk I main morde adc in plat. I got 4 other people and I went 11/0/11 as morde adc... I forgot how easy normal games are.

Mission was super easy.

LiveeyOct 6, 20172 votes

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idk I main morde adc in plat. I got 4 other people and I went 11/0/11 as morde adc... I forgot how easy normal games are.

Mission was super easy.

Not everyone is good at this game, nor do they have the time to get good.

I personally would love to get better, however I cannot play league for very long as my wrist has developed a cyst from clicking way too much.

Kalista main issues.... amirite? lol

Starcraft243verOct 6, 20171 votes

Not everyone is good at this game, nor do they have the time to get good.

So, not everyone is eligable for these rewards. If you do not have enough time to play, do not expect to get every single reward in a game.

LiveeyOct 6, 20171 votes

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So, not everyone is eligable for these rewards. If you do not have enough time to play, do not expect to get every single reward in a game.

So they cant get ranked "end of season rewards", that is a reward for being good.

Quests, a public thing open to literally everyone of all skill levels should not be included in "being good"

its for ALL, for EVERYONE

get it?

I play once or twice a day, and I doubt I have the skill level to do many things.

I should also however be able to get a mission reward that the game notifies me of. Also I cant play more than twice due to my health issues if you read my whole statement and not the first sentence.

so sit down.

Starcraft243verOct 9, 20171 votes

its for ALL, for EVERYONE

If it's for everyone, why dont they just give it automatically to every single account ? Why isnt there a "push this button to get the reward" ?

I play once or twice a day, and I doubt I have the skill level to do many things.

That's still playing 10 times more than I do.

Also I cant play more than twice due to my health issues if you read my whole statement and not the first sentence.

This is very sad but It doesnt change the fact that if I open a support case saying I lost both hands, they will not adjust the missions difficulty for me.

So, sorry, but it's life. Not everyone can do anything. The "You can do and be anything" is just a lie adults tell to children. Grow up.

LiveeyOct 12, 20171 votes

They give the quest to everyone? Therefore everyone should be able to handle it.

Did no one hug you as a child before? I literally made one statement that not everyone is good at this game and tbh most skill based ability should be measured in rank and not public missions which is literally the point. And now you are wailing on me to grow up? Lol dude its a game and you are defending a mission that many people of the majority obviously are having difficulties with.

So sorry but this game is not "life" you grow up ;) ~!

Søn oƒ EchidnæOct 6, 20177 votes

When the Platinum walks into not-platinum-city square and announces to all the non platinums how easy being a platinum is.

TrídentOct 7, 20172 votes

Just a helpful tip, Kayle is a melee champion :D

DeathBurstOct 6, 20172 votes

That's not a hiccup at all. If the other team gets surprised by a full melee line up, then so what? They could have been surprised by a Twitch Jungle when they thought it was the ADC, or dozens of other flex picks. I don't see how it's the mission's fault.

And the people doing the mission, well they choose to do it. If they feel they have to, they're stupid, 'cause 5 Tokens is really meaningless.

Mysticman89Oct 6, 20172 votes

The difference is people playing twitch jg or various other flex picks are often well prepared to do so at a level expected of their elo, while the mission is going to 'force' people onto melee champs they may not have much experience on and are otherwise uncomfortable playing. What results is a squad of say, 5 golds on melee champs playing at only a silver level, facing off against a squad of 5 golds playing whatever they like at a gold level.

It's not an issue if people happen to have a morde main or similar who has experience with the melee bot lane, but those guys are relatively rare, so the melee squad will have a bad time, and the normal folks won't have as competitive of a game as they liked.

Sure, maybe the melee folks who can't play melees at their elo should perhaps just not do the mission and feeling forced might be 'stupid', but theres lots of 'stupid' people around who will feel that way, and it's absolutely the missions fault.

DeathBurstOct 6, 20171 votes

If you do that in Ranked, and if all your 4 other friends agreed, you need to think hard about it... Why in Hell wouldn't you do that in Normals?

(And that doesn't really matter, but why in Hell would you have 5 people on unfamiliar melee champs? The Top can play their usual pool, the Mid is a bit more restricted but can still play a lot of champs like Assassins or Kassadin, Jungler can play their usual pool, Support can play all the traditional Tank Supports, only an ADC main that plays no secondary role should really be forced into playing an unfamiliar champ...)

but theres lots of 'stupid' people around who will feel that way, and it's absolutely the missions fault.

The "mission's fault" line was talking about people surprised by all melee comp, not about people doing the mission. Read my post again.

Mysticman89Oct 6, 20171 votes

Ones group of 5 does not necessarily consist of a top lane main+jg main+mid main+adc main+support main, and is probably a random assortment of people looking to get the mission done, so people are going to be outside of their comfort to begin with even neglecting the melee only part. I know when I did the mission, I ended up being the top laner for my comp, despite being a support main and adc secondary for example.

Depending on the elo of those involved, one doesn't necessarily even have a wide pool for their role(s), so it's quite possible that even if they got their main role, they don't actually play a melee at the level expected of their elo. (I know theres loads of people, particularly early on in their league days, who only play a handful of champs total, and they're usually ranged since they're 'easier'.)

I wasn't disputing what you said regarding "mission's fault", but rather emphasizing that the mission has bad consequences (and hence missions of this sort should not be).

DeathBurstOct 6, 20171 votes

But why do you keep talking about "expected level" and all that stuff? I repeat, just do it in Normals. People from everywhere from Bronze to Plat are commonly mixed together in Normals ANYWAY. ESPECIALLY when premades are involved. And if you have to lose a few games to synchronize and find the trick before finally getting a win, no big deal. It's just a normal game.

And really, what are those "bad consequences" you fear so much? People trying some off-meta team comp and going out of the beaten path, I don't call that bad. Ruining their team-mates' experience? No, that's precisely why it forces you into a Premade. Yeah ok, the mission can be a little hard to accomplish, but so what? At least it's interesting to overcome the challenge, not like all those missions "get kills", "farm minions". And if you don't enjoy the challenge, just don't do the mission, simple as that. It's not as if the reward was some super top tiers exclusive loot anyway, it's the mission with the smallest reward of the whole event!!

Mysticman89Oct 7, 20171 votes

Expected level for their normals mmr, which is usually somewhat reflective of the kinds of things they do in normals.

Sure you may have a diamond and a bronze on the same team, but if they have the same normals mmr, it probably means the diamond is prone to faffing about in off-roles/champs/builds and/or the bronze is playing their main ranked champ in normals. It's a bit messy (...arguably even less messy than flex), but most people will face people at around the same level on average across their normals games, which is not necessarily related to their solo/duo rank.

In the context of normals, I consider bad consequences to be people not having fun in circumstances they normally would have fun. This applies to both teams involved in the mission, so someone simply not doing the mission could still find themselves matched against a group who is doing the mission, and not have as much fun as they might against a squad of players who were all comfortable with their comp. And as irrational as it is, people who don't want to do it, will do it anyway, and not have fun because of it.

DeathBurstOct 7, 20171 votes

people not having fun in circumstances they normally would have fun. This applies to both teams involved in the mission,

I strongly disagree with that. There is nothing unfun (or at least, more unfun than a standard game would be) for the team NOT doing the mission in being faced with a full melee comp.

And as irrational as it is, people who don't want to do it, will do it anyway, and not have fun because of it.

And so your solution is to NOT do this kind of mission at all, despite all the people like me who DO enjoy it, just for the sake of a few irrational players? In my humble opinion, that's having your priorities backward. Especially since Riot did all they could to clearly communicate that this kind of missions wasn't mandatory, with a tiny, non-exclusive reward at the end.

All in all, I understand where you come from, I understand this kind of mission is not perfect and has some drawbacks, and why you might not enjoy it. But I honestly think the benefits far outweighs those drawbacks, because a lot of people DO enjoy it.

General Esdeath Oct 6, 20177 votes

And then you get people who didn't read the premade part doing it in your games

RaoulOct 5, 201725 votes

Honestly, the fact that an all melee team comp is viewed as a troll comp says alot about how badly ranged DPS are balanced in this game...

General Esdeath Oct 6, 20176 votes

Balance in league is kind of a joke. AP champs are mostly weak but have one really good skill to make up for it. They also have one viable item to rush.

CoIIege DropoutOct 6, 20174 votes

I hate saying this but this is probably the one thing Dota does much better (and having way more fun supports)

The turn rate really keeps ranged champs in check.

RaoulOct 6, 20173 votes

These two things you mentioned are linked.

DotA can have much better Supports because they can actually design supports around other things than "protect the broken ranged ADC" and they still be viable and have places in team. In LoL its either Support the ADC or troll.

the weeabooOct 6, 20172 votes

No it's because in Dota supports aren't designed to actually support. They don't heal. They don't shield. They don't face tank damage. All of Dotas support ability is put into items: Mekansm, Arcane Boots, Guardian Greaves. And said items aren't limited to just supports. Necrophos is a full damage midlaner but he builds all those items anyway. Anther Lens is great on supports but is also useful on anyone who wants range, like Pudge.

You don't see anyone but supports building Ardent Censer

Walmart PornOct 5, 201710 votes

Well ad morde isnt nessicarily a troll pick. But my biggest problem is i dont have 5 to play with lul. I just have irl friends who are never all on at the same time so this mission is more or less impossible sense i dont add tons of randoms

GigglesOOct 6, 20172 votes

there is player recruitment boards...

Walmart PornOct 6, 20172 votes

there is but i have no intention of using it. i don't add randoms after matches for a reason. im not going to suddenly start doing that because riot made missions that requre 5. ill just not do those missions. that simple. i dont need them. its a little extra bonus content to add more fun to the game but not required to complete. all the others like dragons, kills ect ok no problem. but imma sit any 5 mans out. did the same with star gaurdian missions even though i like that skin line and have 4 of them myself

My Waifu VanillaOct 5, 201710 votes

Don't do the mission if you don't want to. It has the lowest reward BY FAR and is probably not going to make or break getting whatever FREE reward you so desire that is already available to you from the mission pool you choose (not doing this mission isn't going to mean you won't get championship ashe without the pass since you ALREADY aren't getting her).
It is a premade 5 group meaning all 5 players are agreeing to do the mission. You signed up for it, don't complain. The ONLY problem with this sort of mission as stated below is you aren't NECESSARILY "mirror matching" the enemy team, but MMR is so skewed in the likes of blind pick chances are it doesn't matter what the enemy team plays if you are actually better than them you will probably still win no matter what.
These types of missions actually seem like real "quests" that you have to go out of your way for and are actually a GOOD thing in my eyes since if I don't like feeling "rewarded" by event missions when all the missions are "just play the game" in one sense or another. "Kill X Dragons." Great already planned on it...don't waste my time by telling me to do it. "Put down 5 wards". I am better than bronze XIII so I already planned on it. The other missions seem like arbitrary chores that will just get done with time while THESE types of missions have a set goal in mind that you can just complete if you so choose to.

Sp33d Zer0Oct 5, 20171 votes

If you want the Ashe reward, you need every bit you can get.

My Waifu VanillaOct 5, 20174 votes

Without the pass you can get a maximum of 175 from missions with only 20 of those tokens being "difficult" (all melee, all tp, and 2 towers within 15 seconds). Everything else you get for basically playing the game. With the master pass that number jumps up to 735 (over double what is needed for Ashe) with only 80 of the new tokens being relatively difficult to get (first blood, first tower, and 2 dragons in the same game).

That being said, if you want the ashe skin....you HAVE to buy the Master Pass and even THEN you still get the skin for simply playing the game since the remaining 635 tokens are BASICALLY free and are more than enough for the chroma (320 tokens).

Weiner the PoohOct 5, 20176 votes

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General Esdeath Oct 6, 20175 votes

If I paid money for missions I want them to be something possible that doesn't contradict Riot's own rules.

LightIsMyPathOct 6, 20177 votes

This is a free mission...

GigglesOOct 6, 20173 votes

these were the free missions.

TahmOct 6, 20176 votes

It's weird, but i found the quest fun. But I also completed it once on the first try between 4 accounts. Playing Kled adc and zed mid bring a good lot of power. There's always strong things like leona blitz yasuo singed and all that, too. I acknowledge that it's against what riot said, but its a damn easy quest. possibly the first one i finished.

SciFi ScrivenerOct 5, 20175 votes

I want to agree with you, I really do. Unfortunately, after attempting this mission (and completing it on the first try) I think this is the wrong mission to complain about. The two things I worried the most about was getting a (1) 5 man premade together and (2) playing no range on a team against opponents with no such restriction.

Between two friends list, one person and myself, we added a third person, who was able to invite more... and it really wasn't that hard to get 5 people together.
Then, in this case, no range meant we had 5 tanky melee champs on one team. Sure, the yasuao ADC was slow, but with farming he became our late game dmg dealer. With 3 solid tanks around him, and a WW built for dmg, we won the game. Their squishier team couldn't put out enough dmg to over come our tanks, and they melted once WW and Yas got their hands on them.

I don't know how well this will work if they do a all range team, or all mage team, but it did work this time. This is a slippery slope and I hope Riot nips it in the bud before it goes bad.

For reference: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2612434086/42451649?tab=overview

kile147Oct 5, 20172 votes

It's certainly possible, but forcing you to play all melee is going to gimp you almost no matter what. There's a lot of matchups and combinations where a melee champ just isn't a good pick, but the other 4 people I'm with can only stay on for 3 games so we need to try the melee thing every time so I can't not pick a melee into Teemo/Janna this time. It doesn't help that enchanters and ADC's are super strong right now, and that another mission is encouraging people to play kite-queen Ashe.

OleandervineOct 6, 20175 votes

I would like to speak to the contrary. I found this mission to be fun, because you really have to have fun and get creative to make it work. I had an absolute blast destroying an Ezreal/Sona bot lane with Taric and Leona, and it really allowed you to toy around with off meta approaches to things. Kayle, for instance, circumvents the mission because she can become ranged, much like Ivern. Galio, also is a fantastic pick because he also functions well with a good ranged poke. I found it fun because I knew I had to not take the game so seriously and work towards an odd goal.

ToothpickSamuraiOct 6, 20174 votes

The terrible part about this quest is getting 5 people to do it, some people don't have lists upon lists of friends to play with.

GigglesOOct 6, 20174 votes

recruitment boards https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment

The EcdysiastOct 6, 20174 votes

So... the solution is to remove the advantage of knowing your teammates and their playstyles in favor of trusting strangers in the hopes that your ragtag group can overcome the disadvantage of having no ranged champions.

KaeblenOct 7, 20171 votes

you mean you don't play solo que?

Bunny BellsOct 6, 20173 votes

I really stopped caring about the missions after the first time they did it ( I think Yasuo/Riven stuff?) I mean at least then it was focused on trying to perform well in the game.

Just yesterday I had an adc, who wasn't a main adc (okay that's fine), who had never played Ashe (again fine), trying to complete a mission (Win as Ashe), but doing it in ranked......

These missions are detrimental to the game. Even if it was stuff like "Get so many objectives/kills/assists/etc in a game." Like it was with the Riven/Yasuo, I would constantly get people that would actively not end a game because they "Needed more kills for the mission and didn't want to play another game to do it." I wouldn't have a problem losing for that, if it wasn't in ranked....But throws were made.

Plus I REALLY hate getting notifications every day saying that there are new worlds missions. Can I please just turn them off? Can we please disable these missions for ranked game modes?

MrBardtenderOct 6, 20173 votes

They can't make every mission appeal to all players. I do think they should greatly limit the amount of missions they put out that require full premades as i get not everyone has a big group like I do. I think the mission as a whole was great though and we had a lot of fun. You can do it without troll picks too. Top and jungle have plenty of melee choices. Mid you can go zed ekko etc. bot would be the weirdest pick with Morde but technically still in the right spot. We ran a Xin Panth bot and they destroyed.

LadyDevimonOct 6, 20172 votes

AGAIN - quests aren't mandatory. So you either join them or leave them.

SlythionOct 6, 20176 votes

That doesn't make anything OP said any less true? The team said they wouldn't do either of those things and yet the mission is still there to present an incentive to do both of those things.

I legitimately don't understand what your argument has to do with Riot still breaking their original rules.

GetgankedBruddaOct 6, 20172 votes

Aatrox

adjothOct 6, 20172 votes

Think its fine so long as people don't try an do these things in ranked. Also the specific mission is for a 5 man premade so as a group you'll be trying to achieve this.

KaeblenOct 7, 20172 votes

For everyone out there who hates the current meta...

You think there wasn't an ulterior motive behind this quest? It encourages going exactly contrary to meta. You know, experimenting? Trying new things? Innovating? league has become rather stagnant in it's meta. Riot needs SOMETHING to address that, and this quest (while it may not be perfect) seems like one small thing among many to get players thinking about NEW play styles rather than the old beat-a-dead-horse compositions we're all used to.

CliticusOct 7, 20172 votes

All these people complaining about how hard this was... The amount of lee way it gives is insane, there are so many bot lane melee picks that work well . one game got trashed by darius j4 bot lane, one game smashed as yasuo, alistar, riven j4 and rammus.

its all about how you play the matchup.