Can we change Shojin to only block physical damage?

Emerald Fang··6 votes·987 views

ADC's burst people down like a goddamn truck, assassins are getting indirect buffs with the itemization changes... Meanwhile, mages are continually getting nerfed. Not directly. However, mages pop like a balloon in a shredder to assassins, who can dodge all their skillshots with one button press and leap onto the enemy. ADC's just have to get in range to auto and they've done 30-40% max HP.

Shojin will render all DoT based champions utterly useless. Cass, Teemo, Morde, etc. By doing calculations I figured out that a mid laner with only Shojin and Dblade will block about 40% of Cass's Q damage, plus 30% of her E damage if they are both at max level. Essentially they're purchasing 150-200 MR, but also getting attack damage, health, and CDR.

If Riot keeps this item in the game, in the state that it's in, they're either retiring these champions for good, or they'll have to do serious changes.

Changing to physical damage will allow mages to be more influential in the game and give them a more important team role.

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BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

item 3194 item 3155 item 3193 item 3010 item 3053 item 3040 item 3157

nullifying orb bone plating etc.

damage over time was already nerfed into the ground. you gotta play burst now or hope your opponent forgets you're a DOT mage.

VoraciousX1 votes

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item 3194 item 3155 item 3193 item 3010 item 3053 item 3040 item 3157

nullifying orb bone plating etc.

damage over time was already nerfed into the ground. you gotta play burst now or hope your opponent forgets you're a DOT mage.

Not even all burst can get through item 3194 Katarina

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

i consider katarina's R damage over time. her E and Q are more or less her only true burst if you dont already have your daggers set up.

VoraciousX1 votes

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i consider katarina's R damage over time. her E and Q are more or less her only true burst if you dont already have your daggers set up.

Yeah, but all of her daggers are also counted by Adaptive Helm. They're all the same source of damage, her passive. The only thing not counted for Adaptive Helm is her Q. Neither do that much damage by themselves.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

guess that's true. just means you have to use your daggers staggeringly by starting with a different move. according to the adaptive helm text, it says taking magic damage reduces all damage from that same spell by 20% for 4 seconds. so if it doesnt account for more than 1 spell you could use your q since it's the weakest to open up your opponent's damage threshold. however if it keeps track of all damage then i guess the only way to avoid it is to play zed instead.

VoraciousX1 votes

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guess that's true. just means you have to use your daggers staggeringly by starting with a different move. according to the adaptive helm text, it says taking magic damage reduces all damage from that same spell by 20% for 4 seconds. so if it doesnt account for more than 1 spell you could use your q since it's the weakest to open up your opponent's damage threshold. however if it keeps track of all damage then i guess the only way to avoid it is to play zed instead.

Pretty sure it does, and even if it didn't, her whole combo would still be ruined, as the first source(her passive) would then be replaced by her ultimate. I've played vs it and it's one of the most terrible feelings I've ever experienced playing vs this item.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

yeah. im soooo glad it's in the under 3k threshold.

Step Sis Lux2 votes

also it would be good cuz right now we have item 3060 Anti mage so one anti AD item would be awesome

saltran2 votes

Isn't banner being changed so it's not an anti ap item?

M00ndanc33 votes

yes its being changed so that instead of magic immunity it gives an armor and mr and attack speed buff to what ever minion you give it to and the value changes based on the minion you give it to (caster more AS, Melee more armor/Mr and cannon more of all)

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