Question From A Support Main to ADCs

Jon1174··3 votes·2,596 views

Why can i not have fun?

sometimes i play shen support,or sion support, or something not a "standard' support and even though we win the adc will still cry out that i am not sucking them off enough.

What do i have to do where i can have fun with more diverse champs and you don't jump down my throat

Edit:Thank you all for the wonderful advice, i now see the best way to somewhat have more diversity and still do the job also....whats the deal with support singed,when i pick a non standard champ to support i have a reason for it,i dont see singed's potential for the role

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RiotRiot Morgageddon5 votes

Coming from a support side:

I rarely deviate into some of the non-standard type picks, like support Shen or support MF. Most of the time, my roster rotates through Ali/Braum/Leona/Janna, and I have fun playing those against most matchups. I would like to add Brand into it, but from playing Mid Brand to Bot Brand, I haven't quite tuned my 'Oh yeah, I can totally take this fight. I'm mid Brand!' into account and I'd rather not feed the enemy team with it just yet.

Most of the times I don't have to ask my ADC if my pick is good. However, if they ask for something different or I pick someone to better align with the rest of the team (dropping Leona to play Ali or Braum if we have a Yasuo for instance), I'm more than happy to rotate into it. At the end of the day, it's a competitive game and I want to win, so playing my best and providing as much value to both my lane and my team as possible is ideal.

Coming from an ADC side:

I will admit I prefer standard picks over non-standard for two reasons:

  1. I know exactly how their kit operates in the lane and how to play with/around their abilities
  2. I know how their damage/damage mitigation can help me in lane

However, in most cases, this doesn't mean I won't play with a non-standard support.

I'm not adverse to having something different come out on the field, like support Pant or support Poppy. I usually love getting asked 'hey, this okay?' over an instant lock, but I'm not angered or disappointed by someone instantly locking in their choice. What I do care about, is how they're going to play that champion and how best it'll play with me and the team.

As a random example, there are a lot, dare I say most, people who can play support Trundle far better than what I could do in Support, Top or Jungle with him. Playing ADC with him in lane, I'd expect he'd be applying movement slows for poke/ganks, pillars for disruption or zoning, soaking some damage thanks to regeneration, and dealing % damage/stealing stats for level 6+ fights. I'd hope he'd ward, we'd play to poke, and late game he'd be ulting a tank for extra stats and making the team fight just a little easier, and if I'm really lucky getting sweet engages off of pillars. I wouldn't really expect him to want to take a lot of CS but for Targon Stacks/me not in lane, I wouldn't expect him to build AP, I wouldn't expect him to ignore warding.

But that's operating off of a pretty big assumption that goes all the way back to champion select. He got support and he'd be supporting me (the ADC) and the rest of the team (as supports usually do by various methods). The other players on the team would expect he'd be bot with me, and so on.

All that can change as soon as he/she says 'I'm support AP trundle.'

Now I know his ult will be his main source of damage, he'll probably not be super tanky, and lane may be hard if he's not got a Targon's for extra health back. I can trust they know what they're doing, or I can ask 'hey, I'm a bit unsure how well that'll go with Cait...do you have a different pick you're okay with?' But as soon as it's locked, gotta work with what's here, and trust he/she will be able to support. I can always ask before they lock, but at the end of the day, we all have to work together to win and we need to play complimentary styles to ensure everyone's on the same page.

It's that covenant of trust between adc and support that has to remain intact for it to be a successful lane. That could mean having an Ali doing wombo combos so you can't miss your Ashe R unless you literally sneeze as you're firing, to a Bard who's going to leave your lane to collect those sweet sweet chimes and hopefully leave you some health packs to top off with, to a support Pant who decides to push your lane, gank mid and then gank top before coming back to you.

Every single one is fine. As long as everyone understands what's going on and everyone's cool, absolutely no problem at all.

In closing, I like defaulting to a single phrase when someone is complaining about who they have to pick into, unsure what they want to play, or just have no idea what works best in our comp since they're first pick. Doesn't matter who's picking what, or for what role. What matters is that we all understand what each component of the team is wanting to do and tries to with their picks and plays and purchases.

"Just play your best!"

Jon11741 votes

Your insight and analysis of the issue has more or less solved my conflicting feelings on the role i love,thank you

i will say though, the role could also benefit with more champions, to put it simply more tools for the job would make it more enjoyable

Tahm Kench and Bard and Taric all rejuvenated my love for being the protector and would think that more is always beter, tbh I am terribly excited to see what season 7 brings to the Mama Duck role

Edit:also looking back now the original post was a bit mean spirited and did not convey what i wanted in the manner i would have liked,so to that i apologize

Awesomedude88883 votes

I don't care what you play as a support, as long as:

  • It has either some form of hard CC, peel, or sustain, and can get it pre-6,
  • You buy a item 2049 or one of its variants,
  • You actually pressure the lane instead of leaving me 1v2,
  • You don't steal farm, or other wise troll,

Then you're fine playing whatever.

Jon11741 votes

again,the same thing i've been doing for 3 years XD

rtbf553599092 votes

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JavelinJoe4 votes

True, but not all ADCs (champions) can synergize as well as Kalista can with any support because they don't share in the benefits her bond gives them.

TeemoXNidalee2 votes

You can, just pick Singed summoner 6 summoner 11

Pew Pew Lasers2 votes

The more toxic the ADC the more I troll them with passive aggressive behavior.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Jon11741 votes

Well in one of my games the Lucian (who triggered me to write this post) just continually said "Shen is not a support" so eventually i ulted away and assisted other lanes then he said "Reported" (we won that game in the end no thanks to him)Shen

Adama2 votes

Flame is never good but you can expect it from toxic people, especially if you play very, very bad. I would not want a Sion support who plays like bronze (unless I'm also bronze). Not saying you do, but IF you do, I understand your adc's frustration.

Jon11743 votes

My motto as a support main is "I can save you from anything but yourself" my problem really boils down to What do i do when not even Jesus could save the carry

The Letter H1 votes

"I can save you from anything but yourself"

ayyyyyy I tell that to my ADC's when I support too.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

As long as you're good at it who cares? Mute them if they complain.

Having said that, people are more on edge if you're playing non-meta picks in ranked.

JavelinJoe1 votes

I am a bot lane main (both ADC and SUPPORT), so I have been on both sides of this plenty of times before. And I find that as long as the ADC is impressed (usually I find this one to be the best way to have a fun game with your ADC not complaining at you), not feeding, not watching you feed, you can provide some form of CC and/or sustain, and are warding with a sightstone based item, they really are 100% fine with whom ever you want to go as.

Build a item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 or item 2045, and try and not take too many of the ADC's kills if possible, especially if they are the only source of AD for the team and/or if they are mid-late game scalling (like Jinx, Tristana, Vayne, and Twitch) because they can use the full gold amount to get ahead and hit their power spike faster (snowballing in a sense).

Also, do not just play anything into a very hard match up just because you feel like it could be fun. If you know you can handle it, then go for it, but if you are not 90-100% sure you wont just end up making the both of us feed their bot lane, it is best to go something more standard/safe. I find that some supports don't realize that this is a team game, and the SUPPORT role is 100% team reliant by definition. So when we ADCs are matched with stand-alone supports who only want to get themselves fed or play without that team oriented thought process and disregard the other 4 players, we get tend to get pissed off because we ADCs are your other half, it is why we are paired with you, and while a Support can do the job of an ADC to a somewhat workable extent, ADCs cant do the job of a Support to the same level because of our design. We lack that "still helpful regardless of how I am doing" magic that most, if not all, supports tend to have.

We want to win too you know, that is how ADC mains usually have their fun (usually along with being an unkillable death machine who is fed of their ass, because that too is fun).

Other than those 3 things, most of us don't care who you go.

Also, on a side note, if the 4 of us for some reason picked all AD champions, which I really hate but it does happen, it might be helpful for you to pick an AP based champion (can be a damage dealer if you want too) just so we have some damage diversity. I tend to find this helpful for not getting as much shit thrown at you by your team after the game.

Jon11741 votes

So the same thing i have been doing for 4 seasons then XD

JavelinJoe1 votes

Hmm, Maybe since many ADCs (like VarusTwitch Corki Jinx VayneJinx Tristana MissFortune Draven Kalista) have been sort of pushed aside for a few dominant ones (Ezreal Ashe Jhin Lucian andCaitlyn) for most in not all of the past split? Until just recently, it was rare that anyone other than maybe Jinx, Twitch, and Vayne made it into a game where one or more of the dominant champions was left open.

Maybe some of the residual annoyance is rubbing off lol. I know I was mad as hell when Jinx became unplayable after her early season nerfs on her Q. She was my main for most of season 5 and it sucked to not be able to play her.

Jon11741 votes

You may have a point i have not considered that if the adc pool goes stale so does the support role,that is some good insight

JavelinJoe1 votes

Yeah it is just something I picked up on over the summer when I was learning to play Jhin. If I had a support who could not set up my W or could not protect me in fights since Jhin is very immobile unless he crits and has small windows of 0 damage output when reloading, making him an easy target, then I would tend to get very annoyed at them for not doing one of their basic jobs as a support.

Also, I think because of mainly the Lucian, Caitlyn, Ashe and Ez dominance for most of the season, support players got use to not having to always be ready to defend/bail out their ADCs because they always had an escape to save themselves.

Jon11741 votes

So what your saying is...Rek Sai Support RekSai

JavelinJoe1 votes

I mean, if you are a great Rek Sai, and your ADC is not already tilted, by all means, play your best Rek Sai support. I personally would advise against it for the lack of having a use for all abilities in lane (if you are nowhere else but bot lane, you wont have tunnels to ult to elsewhere on the map).

Adama1 votes

''try and not take too many of the ADC's kills'' Ouch this happens to me a lot, bad luck I guess. For instance the enemy walks away with 1 hp, has already flashed, I have flash but I don't use it instantly because I feel I can get close enough before they get away. And then my supp flash ignites.

Maybe they think I'm not gonna flash or that we can't catch em otherwise but it's always annoying when something like that happens.

JavelinJoe1 votes

That 1 hp instance is tricky, I usually just go with calling it a kill secured because an assist is still better than nothing, and in that case it would have been very frustrating to see one walk away. So I guess it is better to not get tilted over a kill which possibly could have escaped you.

But when your team catches an enemy out of position where escape is not possible, or during most other instances, the support should not get the kill if at all possible, especially if it is FB.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Usually they don't care unless they are bad.

I always pick Lulu support, something that many ADCs dislike because of how most Lulu support players don't know what they are doing, and that she is apparently "shit" because "high elo" players say so. Pretty unpopular pick, even Zyra/Brand are less "troll" as compared to Lulu. No one bats an eye even if everyone was losing.

But nah, who the hell cares about what stupid people say? And why should you care? As long as you're not like that legendary "Singed support guy" who just perma-leaves ADCs to 1v2's you should be good to go.

Jon11741 votes

Well from my experience over the years i find that alot of carries expect you to serve them their glory on a silver platter,anything less and it's "GG noob shen is not a support"

Athenes Lulu1 votes

On the other hand I play the strict babysitter.

If they don't get good on their own, then they're not getting anything. I won't leave lane, I'll just do nothing. Then they will have to force themselves to get good and do something, and then that's when they earned my efforts.

Also Shen support is legit, these noobs don't know shit lmfao

dark100dark1001 votes

I also like lulu, you never runs out of supportive spells. Casting all three on one plus use a q to slow down enemies in front of him makes a champion unstoppable. But you need clever positioning since you are weak and w-e has low range.

Hige1 votes

uhm I think this is a matter of putting yourself in other's shoes.

What If I wanna have fun and not play an standard ADC? what if I want to go Shyvanna ADC? o.o

Jon11741 votes

Yes

Hige1 votes

right

Mountain Warden2 votes

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uhm I think this is a matter of putting yourself in other's shoes.

What If I wanna have fun and not play an standard ADC? what if I want to go Shyvanna ADC? o.o

Do it! Fuck the meta

Hige1 votes

I mean, I agree with you O.o, I like to experiment around with the meta, but sometimes all you want to do is win, players fluctuate between these views and most of the time they don't coincide, consider then that doing it anyway is literally forcing people to play around something you want to try and realize that it's perfectly reportable, AKA singed support case.

Mountain Warden1 votes

{quoted}

I mean, I agree with you O.o, I like to experiment around with the meta, but sometimes all you want to do is win, players fluctuate between these views and most of the time they don't coincide, consider then that doing it anyway is literally forcing people to play around something you want to try and realize that it's perfectly reportable, AKA singed support case.

Well I was being a little brash on my comment. But basically I feel like the meta is there to help new players by giving them a starting point. But by all means, if you can pick something crazy like shyvanna bottom, and you can curb stomp your opponents with her, you shouldn't feel restrained by the meta.

Escheton1 votes

{quoted}

uhm I think this is a matter of putting yourself in other's shoes.

What If I wanna have fun and not play an standard ADC? what if I want to go Shyvanna ADC? o.o

Then something like Alistar or Leona will serve you well so they are locked well in place as you ult in and shred them. Till 6, expect to miss some cs. (but not too much as she does have ways of poking cs) And expect taking towers safely while seiging to be hard. No ranged ad champ means no in and out for a cheeky aa till its low enough to all in.

Mãmbã1 votes

I mean, it's really a two way street with any type of role dynamic in this game, or any competitive game really. I can't tell you how many times I've been flamed for "being shit" when my support literally runs in and starts being super aggressive after we've already lost a fight and dies again. I don't flame my supports, because I expect to be treated the same with dignity. If you have a bad one, just mute and report after game that's all there is too it.

DemainaNyx1 votes

I am a support / ADC main and I can understand where you are coming from.

I've had so many games where my team is Darius top, Yasuo mid, Tryndamere jungle, and Draven adc. Great. We have no poke and no AP. Guess I'll play Brand to give us something. Gets 4 man ganked, manages to save the ADC somehow, I die, and the entire enemy team survives with 200 health. "Draven: GG, Brand not a support." Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that the enemy blew 2 flashes, heal, exhaust, ignite, 4 ults, and only managed to get 1 kill. Clearly the game is over because they killed the support once.

Had a similar team comp to above but with Vayne ADC, so I picked Brand again. She kept raging at me in chat cause I was KSing her. Yeah, I died 3 seconds ago after launching my ult which proc'd my passive on 3 people which got them all low. I can't help the fact that the burn + deathfire is what killed. It's like blaming the Soraka for her AA KSing. I'm amazed I can CS with a Soraka AA let alone time it perfectly to intentionally kill the enemy so you don't get it.

If the support is intentionally doing stuff to mess up the ADC, sure, I can understand the ADC being annoyed. Had a support Lux do nothing in lane but randomly auto the minions. She wasn't even taking the CS, which is the worst part, she was just letting it die and needlessly pushing the wave while the enemy was in lane even after I said "lux, please stop autoing the minions, I don't want it to push." I'm perfectly fine with a support taking the CS that I can't get, but randomly just messing with the wave without a reason is just annoying to the ADC.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Why can i not have fun?

You can troll all you want, just not in ranked.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

Just a random post. You know what support I enjoy the most? LeeSin ^_^. the play potential with him is great.

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