KATARINA: cheesiest way to diamond Riot please read

Holomovement··39 votes·4,832 views

You dont have to know how to lane as this champ AT ALL. I am platinum rank and every time i fight katarina i am able to have a 20+ cs lead on her, on average one time killing her, because they dont know how to lane properly and are bad players. and she ALWAYS, ALWAYS gets fed. IT is too easy to pick up kills as this b*tch i swear. I dont care for you forumheads who always state counters to angry posts, the counter to this girl is too weak, the CC isnt good enough her W is too spammable anyway. It seems as if countering her with CC is a super easy task, but somehow, it isnt. Because obviously, she's getting fed every game. Am i right? I wonder whats the average of kills katarinas get each day in the entire region. Probably the only champion in the game where the player doesnt have to know how to lane at all, and is still able to carry her team. Like,she picks up kills the way leblanc, shaco, talon, and rengar and akali etc do, except, she's still a threat late game. unlike these other champions, she doesnt fall off, this is THE PROOF OF ARGUEMENT. Her ganking is too good also, its like a shaco gank, she can warp on the target, which is HUGE. A fact that most katarina forum posts miss, she has shaco gank. She warps and ults, and before the support can land a cc on her, she already dropped the ad to near death hp. It still drops people too fast in the initial damage (riot nerfed.) Yeah, you should be extra careful with a kat in the game, and ping mias A LOT when shes mia, and ward a ton. There's been lots of times where 1/3 kat is roaming to another lane, and we see her with wards everytime she goes to gank somewhere, yet, 5 minutes later, 6/3. I dont know how they do it, but every time. Not bronze league either, platinum. So the other lanes aren't completely brainless. It is simply just, too easy for her to pick up kills. Also, ludens echo upped her initial ult damage back to what it was pre-nerf i'm sure...nerf bat please.

112 Comments

Old Man Teeto35 votes

Team fight champion excels in team fights.

News at 11.

Junkο5 votes

And 1v1's. I was 6/1 as Teemo when she was 0/3 with just a Wisp and she still 100-0'd me with her entire combo (though i ate the entire ult because i couldn't kill her and running away wasn't an option).

Dedrius1 votes

So you tried to fight her while she was channeling and got off a full ult in your face? This seems very inaccurate by the way because her level 1 ult damage is very low so this is probably made up.

You could you know, run out of ult range.

Lugg7 votes

Sorry, but I have ROFL at this reply. Have you ever actually played this game? If you try to run from Kat's ult when she starts it right next to you, 99% of the time you don't make it. At level one the ult damage isn't that high, but at that point in the game neither is your health.

Godhri5 votes

if you tried to fight her as teemo, then you deserved to die.

Junkο4 votes

I didn't expect a 0/3 Kat to 100-0 me in 4 seconds when i could easily murder Akali that actually had a kill and a few assists from roaming.

Godhri3 votes

Akali is different. Her Q requires an auto to trigger which you can blind her with. Kat pretty much counter teemo. Super reliable gap closer, immense burst damage and a speed boost from her W. She doesn't even have to ult right away to win the fight against you. Yea she's behind, but whether or not you would win that fight depends on how ahead you were and what items you rushed first.

Altricad8 votes

If kat was ONLY good at teamfights, then it'd be fine

But she's not. She's resourceless, cannot be ganked (unless your jungler is a blind monk) and also excellent at roaming. THese 3 combined make it so that she never has a bad lane/ becomes useless mid-game

Also, people say "cc her" or just "dash away from her ulti"

Little do you guys know how hard her full burst rotation hits if you can't get away in time. Fizz 's full burst rotation ( disregarding auto-attacks since we're assuming you're running away) hits for 270% AP + 100% AD ( ignoring base damages)

Katarina has 360% AP + 420% Bonus AD

Also, 2 of fizz's abilites are skillshots, Katarina is basically guaranteed to land everything if you get in her range.

Red Frostraven7 votes

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Team fight champion excels in team fights.

News at 11.

If by "team fight champion", you mean a champion that is good at fighting 1 vs 5, sure. She's even more broken 1 vs 1... and... well. The fact that Katarina actually CAN go "Hey -- they're only 5 players alive on the enemy team, I can do this!" is plain disgusting.

And why does daggers (Katarina) and spears (Nidalee) deal magical damage again? If only armor reduced the damage of her THROWN DAGGERS, I'd not be as salty. But. Between Jinx's physical and Katarina's magical, you have to go all defensive in all directions all at once, which means that their Sejuani is going to have a field day.

She's banned 98/100 games, and in 1/100 -- they probably didn't have her or the guy doing the banning was AFK.

DeusVult6 votes

Reset champs are hard to balance

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BluePolarizer16 votes

Always ban Kat. Just don't risk it.

Simplicate2 votes

I open up with that every game, but since the leader got shrekt by a Yi last game he bans him and other champs that either no one plays or are easily beatable. #BronzeLife

Lugg3 votes

Which is exactly why RIot needs to major nerf her.

Tilt Thru Time2 votes

Kat needs a rework.

Godhri8 votes

If she's getting fed even though she is losing lane, it's your teammate's fault for lack of map awareness and insufficient warding as well as poor combat positioning and combat location choices. Don't blame it on the champion. Blame it on your teammates who are obviously feeding her because they are bad.

Besides, a Kat with a Luden's is very squishy and should be easy to kill.

Earl Eulrich8 votes

I actually agree, her dmg is way too frontloaded currently. Even if you cancel her ult within 0,5 seconds most of the time she´ll already get her first reset by then and snowball through the fight. They really should put some "warm-up" time on her ultimate, so it doesnßt deal any dmg the first 0,5sec and then scales with duration, dealing a little more dmg than currently, but only if channeld fully - actually forcing her to time the ability correctly in a fight instead of just going in when the first quishy hits ~70%hp (or donßt care and just 100-0 him if she´s ahead).

Focus Teemo2 votes

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I actually agree, her dmg is way too frontloaded currently. Even if you cancel her ult within 0,5 seconds most of the time she´ll already get her first reset by then and snowball through the fight. They really should put some "warm-up" time on her ultimate, so it doesnßt deal any dmg the first 0,5sec and then scales with duration, dealing a little more dmg than currently, but only if channeld fully - actually forcing her to time the ability correctly in a fight instead of just going in when the first quishy hits ~70%hp (or donßt care and just 100-0 him if she´s ahead).

^ Exactly her Death lotus needs a wind up time, by the time your CC animation is finished she has already mounted your entire team's collective heads on her wall. Having all her damage be frontloaded and nearly instant is a really bad idea for an AOE reset terror.

Daedalus8716 votes

So you win lane (which you should), and then you don't do anything with it?

If I am ahead mid and the enemy laner is roaming, then so am I. It's common sense. Unless if you're the type of guy who takes top tower then let's the enemy Nasus free farm for 20 minutes.

TheLuminosity5 votes

She is just a cheap champion tbh, I may be Silver but that Passive is completely broken. Any champion at all that passive would just be broken.

DouchePool5 votes

All you need is one good cc and mr. I wasted a Kata as Jinx just because of mr and no cc (Maw and SV was just enough to do the trick). Don't just follow set recipes, improvise and adapt. The moment she's focused she's dead

Chaotic Reks3 votes

or she just shunpoos out to a minion

pE4CbxDPQO4 votes

This actually really accurate. I usually make Kat start 0/2 and down 25cs. Team's not understanding pings, "mia" calls, properly warding (or just not looking at map when she walks through), all make for her getting pretty automatically fed. Sometimes I play Kat, but overall don't find her satisfying to win or lose with or against.

Biffolo1 votes

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This actually really accurate. I usually make Kat start 0/2 and down 25cs. Team's not understanding pings, "mia" calls, properly warding (or just not looking at map when she walks through), all make for her getting pretty automatically fed. Sometimes I play Kat, but overall don't find her satisfying to win or lose with or against.

Actual question here. How do you not get satisfaction in winning?

pE4CbxDPQO1 votes

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Actual question here. How do you not get satisfaction in winning?

Ball of stats, get in there and hops to have the damage required isn't fun for me. Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodging skillshots while being zoned out WHILE dishing out a bunch of dps is more fun for me. I just press r and take a nap as kat.

Biffolo1 votes

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Ball of stats, get in there and hops to have the damage required isn't fun for me. Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodging skillshots while being zoned out WHILE dishing out a bunch of dps is more fun for me. I just press r and take a nap as kat.

But.... you win. That's what matters right?

pE4CbxDPQO1 votes

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But.... you win. That's what matters right?

A few months ago when i spammed ranked- sure. But now I play a lot with friends and there is usually two times a day when I say "Eh. That was pretty stompy. I kind of feel bad." And its not a bad experience, but you don't learn anything from stomping and I have had some fun close losses.

Duchess of Deer4 votes

1.pick Lissandra 2. profit???

Junkο8 votes

1.Get poked out of lane because you are mana hungry and she is resoruceless or camped by jungler 2. No profit

Miku Lv994 votes

I hate kat. She's like the ultimate no skill freelo champion. Here's how to play kat:

Can I get a kill? If yes, go in, get kill. If not, then don't jump in.

Here's how to play again kat: You all must position and ward almost perfectly and amazingly consider exactly how a fight is going to play out since if one teammate screws up and dies, it means she's likely just going to kill you immediately afterwards so you need to be able to predict just how everything is going to play out to avoid just feeding her more. And one little screw up where she gets fed and you lose the entire game.

So yes, at the very highest levels of play where no one screws up significantly around her very often, she's bad. But in ranked solo queue she's ridiculous freelo.

Kaipop4 votes

Your guide to playing Kat is the same for every champion in the game...

360D3GR3SS3 votes

She is nearly always a threat because of clean up, she does snowball too efficiently with the new Luden's that is really all she needs for damage. Only counter is proper CC usage. Blitzcrank is an excellent counter while any sort of long silence absolutely wrecks her , If you want to counter her keep your lane pushed and ward well to keep vision of her roams, and make sure to type in chat she is roaming, which direction and ping once or a few times depending on urgency.

N3mO065 votes

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She is nearly always a threat because of clean up, she does snowball too efficiently with the new Luden's that is really all she needs for damage. Only counter is proper CC usage. Blitzcrank is an excellent counter while any sort of long silence absolutely wrecks her , If you want to counter her keep your lane pushed and ward well to keep vision of her roams, and make sure to type in chat she is roaming, which direction and ping once or a few times depending on urgency.

Man I always call the mia and ward all river, and katarina still tower dive my bot lane for a double kill with just a tower hit.....

360D3GR3SS1 votes

This is where it is your teams fault not yours, if you did everything you could to prevent it and your members chose to ignore or feed it is their fault for doing so. She is exceptional at clean up, most league players know to back if a few members, sometimes even one member of the team are low

PerishSoftly8 votes

How the heck is it the team's fault that Katarina can jump in with Shunpo, ult to get a kill, and then Shunpo back out of turret range while also reducing the damage of a turret shot by 15%? If they're low and they back to turret as soon as wards pick up Kat's presence on the map you can't really blame them for her ability to tower dive and full combo with impunity.

It's like watching a Riven jump in, combo you, and then Valor out to negate the tower shot. It's not "outplaying", it feels completely unfair.

360D3GR3SS2 votes

As a support you SHOULD have tools to deal with her under tower especially her ultimate. When you are 25% and hear the MIA mid lane, IT IS YOUR FAULT FOR NOT GOING BACK. YOU KNOW THE RISK, YOU KNOW KATARINA IS MIA, YOU MUST ASSUME SHE IS GOING TO GET PICKS. If you die to her roam IT IS from your lack of vision or refusal to acknowledge her roaming threat OR not having any saved CC for her specifically.

Lugg5 votes

Sorry but you are wrong. I see Kat's do this EVERY game and there really isn't anything your team can do about it. Are you really going to back every time you get to 75% health or lower? If you do, you lose so much CS that the other team gets an auto win anyway. All Kat needs is just one person to be low and her reset lets her penta your whole team. Completely broken champion right now.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

75% health is not a life threatening amount lanning phase especially against katarina, her base damage and scalings are all low (with the exception of her channeled ultimate) You ward improperly/not at all, she will get kills. If your team is warding properly and understanding when to take advantageous opportunities she is underwhelming. Save a CC for her and she isn't hard to deal with.

Lugg2 votes

I totally agree that 75% shouldn't be life threatening, but even an underfed Kat can take you from 75-0 in two seconds.

The warding applies to almost any champion. However, you can't make your teammates drop wards. I ask them too EVERY game, but there is always 1-2 guys who don't get it. There is only so much one person can do when they have idiots for teammates.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

It isn't life threatening, The only time durring the actual lanning phase when kat can do that is if she is absurdly fed, even then she is easy to deal with via CC on her ultimate. If she does not get any damage in from her ultimate she wont kill you, even then she usually cannot kill you if you just walk or flash out of range.

Lugg3 votes

The problem is that Riot compares assassins to each other, not the rest of the champion pool. The sad truth is that EVERY assassin is OP compared to the other classes.

I always love the "assassins are squishy" argument. No they really aren't. For instance, Kat gets a 15% damage reduction during her ult. That is the same as Maokai's ult! Another example is the incredibly stupid amount of mobility they have. It doesn't matter if you are squishy if the enemy can never hit you in the first place. The lack of counterplay on assassins is really ridiculous. Honestly, if you can't see something this obvious, it's time to put down the crack pipe cause you have killed off way too many brains cells.

Sir Wellington2 votes

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The problem is that Riot compares assassins to each other, not the rest of the champion pool. The sad truth is that EVERY assassin is OP compared to the other classes.

I always love the "assassins are squishy" argument. No they really aren't. For instance, Kat gets a 15% damage reduction during her ult. That is the same as Maokai's ult! Another example is the incredibly stupid amount of mobility they have. It doesn't matter if you are squishy if the enemy can never hit you in the first place. The lack of counterplay on assassins is really ridiculous. Honestly, if you can't see something this obvious, it's time to put down the crack pipe cause you have killed off way too many brains cells.

You might want to check your sources mate. Kat gets a 15% damage reduction after she uses E, not R, and it only lasts for 1.5 seconds. That and Yasuo's passive are the ONLY forms of tankyness among most of the assassins (Kat, Talon, LeB, Yasuo, Zed, Shaco, etc).

Assassins ARE squishy, and the reason they have so much mobility is because they have to use it to avoid getting blown up in teamfights. If the enemy team is coordinated and actually focuses an assassin, he/she will die almost instantly. If they don't, then their carries get blown up. That's how it works.

bubee3 votes

All these katarina mains be downvoting

Simplicate3 votes

Want better farm? Pick Zed, turn your brain off, win.

DanofDemacia2 votes

Same boat as you landing her usually isn't a problem its just getting my team to not be careless. And your ability to stop Kat has nothing to do with you its your champs kit.

stevedoesmc2 votes

every game i play they ban her........

iainB852 votes

I know the resets have been part of Katarina's kit since the begining, but they without a doubt what makes her such a terror in solo Q.

As people have stated, she can be very behind after laning phase, but one relatively close team fight is all it takes for her to hop all over and get 3-4 kills out of no where. No other champion has the potential to come back so strong at any given point of the game.

She'll always be like this unless Riot complete guts her, or reworks her passive.

Fzs2 votes

Yeah i play a lot of kat and she is very op. Even if your lane counters you or you are behind , once you get an item you can roam bot for an easy double. Even if you aren't ahead and your botlane pushes, if you are able to get a considerable amount of cs you can still blow up teams as long as they have more than one squishy.

Vesarixx2 votes

So there is something a bit unclear from your post, if Katarina is such an easy way to get to diamond, why are you in platinum?

khorney1 votes

I mean she is strong and gets fed by roaMing. However I hate LeBlanc more then kat. I usually just play rengar and pray she is stupid enough to ult me, unless I'm almost dead she dies every time . or what I would suggest is to play fizz LeBlanc or akali . other champs. Who get fed by roaming or do what another person wrote and just keep pushing

Lugg3 votes

Yeah, but that is because LB is actually even more broken than Kat.

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