@Riot Why doesnt riven get nerfed?

Holomovement·8/18/2015, 12:40:16 AM·5 votes·1,013 views

when against yasuo, riven can kill him in two seconds without items at lvl 4....i understand counters, but i feel like this is a bit ridiculous. no items? just A longsword and its Two seconds. thats a bit Extreme....and i get that you have to stay back and bait out the Qs, and maybe get a short trade there, its not that im going 0/6 and going into lane brainessly, im staying back and getting behind 30 cs in order to not feed, and i get that you have to do that sometimes against some champs. and im not complaining about it. Im complaining about getting killed in two seconds. and its not just yasuo who dies fast by riven, he just gets the worst case of it. I understand riven falls hard and cc will shit on her, but i dont know, i dont like getting killed in two seconds at level 4. doesnt sound right to me no matter how hard she falls. And a shield that scales with ad is just the definition of bruisers that have no tank items and are tanky. please can you explain to me Riot the current thought on riven? I dont like getting two shotted at lvl 4. can you please explain?

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67chrome8/18/2015, 1:25:57 AM9 votes

when against yasuo, riven can kill him in two seconds without items at lvl 4....i understand counters, but i feel like this is a bit ridiculous.

Different champions have different power spikes. Some are early game champions, some are late game champions, some are mid-game champions.

I mean: counter-jungling a Shaco is not smart.

Playing a late-game champion also comes with the risk where an early game champion is going to make you miserable, barring some balancing oversight on Riot's part where they allow a late-game hypercarry like Tristana or Kog'Maw a solid lanning phase.

Also - different champion mechanics cater to different lanning phases. Yasou's mobility gives him an edge vs. skillshots, his shield vs. weak poke, and his wind wall vs. projectiles. He's pretty solid vs. a ranged skillshot-reliant champion in lane (mid-lane). None of his defensive mechanics are particularly good vs. a committed melee champion though, as his wall is largely useless, forward mobility only places you where an opponent wants you to be, and a weak HP shield that's solid vs. poke is not going to be particularly useful vs. a lot of burst and a drawn-out ham fest.

My point here is playing Yasou into Riven is a lot like playing Tryndamere into Malphite. That's just a really unwise lane matchup.

no items? just A longsword and its Two seconds. thats a bit Extreme...

Longsword is an item. It's not not an item.

Early game small items can make a large difference, and runes and masteries are, for all intentes and purposes, bonus items you can get early.

Not every champion is set up to hit like a kitten for the first 20 minutes of the game, some start off with their kits working as though they actually have a sword rather than a pointy stick.

And a shield that scales with ad is just the definition of bruisers that have no tank items and are tanky.

Ehhh.

Most light fighters have a defensive mechanic capable of absorbing considerably more damage than Riven's shield. 100% damage block potential is found on: MonkeyKing Jax Nocturne MasterYi Tryndamere Poppy Fizz Elise KayleYasuo

Wukong's clone can eat a champion-only ultimate or bait out something like a Tibber's Stun. Yasou's Wind Wall can eat a Nami wave along with most mage/marksman ultimates.

Riven's HP shield doesn't have much on those mechanics, making it kind of wierd in regards to Yasou especially, seeing as his Wind Wall is one of the better of such skills. Vs. a Riven Sejuani Syndra Caitlyn Nami team, proper timing could allow you to block all 5 of their ultimates for not only you but your entire team.

Also - Fighters in general are supposed to be tanky DPS. Dealing damage while being tanky is their shtick, regardless of what they do or do not build. Tanky DPS that build tank like Nasus obviously get plenty of damage for free to fullfill the DPS part, tanky DPS champions like Yasuo get a lot of defense for free so they can be tanky DPS with glass-cannon, champions like Riven get defense that scales with her offense and defense that's only as good as her offense.

A Riven that's behind isn't exactly Yasou status tanky where she has the tools to survive long enough but not the damage, a Riven that's behind is just not tanky enough to work and not damaging enough to be much of a threat if she manages to last long enough.

please can you explain to me Riot the current thought on riven? I dont like getting two shotted at lvl 4. I want an explanation please

I'm not sure what your definition of 2-shot is, but mine would be eating 2 shots and dying.

Considering Riven's rank 1 broken wing hits do less damage than her auto-attacks, her rank 5 wing hits do less damage than an auto-attack with 225 total AD (~115 bonus), and champions tend to start with 500 HP: you're idea of 2-shot clearly isn't eating just 2 hits.

So I can only assume you mean the OHKO logic of 1 combo being a hit, in which case: the base QWER damage of pretty much anyone with burst is often incredibly close to 50% of everyone's base HP at that level. Level 18 QWER from a typical mage or assassin or tank is 1000, average level 18 HP is 2000. And if a typical AP gets 150/300/450 AP, there combo is going to deal double damage early/mid/late, and OHKO a squishy champion that didn't purchase defense, a squishy champion relying on things like range, speed, or something like Wind Wall to survive long enough to do their job.

As a support play this is pretty nifty to know, I've been able to turn around and KO a lot of cocky squishy champions at half health with the likes of full-tank Leona.

Everyone that isn't a decidedly late-game champion can usually kill any squishy in 2 full rotations. Tanks in 2 full rotations if you double that burst with tons of damage.

TLDR: read up guides on how to play Yasou, what his power spikes are, and what his weaknesses are.

Legendary Albert8/18/2015, 1:15:27 AM6 votes

so you play with Yasuo and cry about Riven? HAHAHA good one man.. really funny.

Sakura Mirage8/18/2015, 12:42:18 AM5 votes

She is a lane bully. Don't see how this is affecting the game when it was her designed play style.

Mr Broken Wings8/19/2015, 12:45:48 AM3 votes

Mad cuz bad.

Rand0mH3r0X8/18/2015, 1:51:55 AM2 votes

Learn the game. I can't teach you, if you will not learn.

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Read the content, and converse with it rather than us. You will learn more that way.

Baunjo8/18/2015, 1:57:53 AM2 votes

This " Under a second " stuff is kinda silly. I'm sure you kept getting zoned and finally, at like 1/4 or something, tried to make da plays like all yasuo players do and you died. Sorry bro but riven does not kill someone at level 4 in 2 seconds unless they were being dumb. Like take 3 tower shots while fighting her dumb.

SantanaTheSlick 8/19/2015, 12:53:24 AM2 votes

because of the money she makes riot. People who dont even play rivein are willing to give an arm and leg for a 1380 rp rivien skin.

ZephyrDrake8/19/2015, 1:02:55 AM1 votes

why are you trying to fight a Riven early game? Why are you trying to fight her when you have no items? (if she doesn't then you most likely don't either since she is lvl 4)

OnlyOneCharacter8/18/2015, 1:17:57 AM1 votes

i tripled killed early game as riven but i crunched by a pantheon ganking.