Honesty Test: Soraka heals per game as much as a top damage dealer does with zero AP investment

Mega Annie X··6 votes·3,935 views

To put that in context, that is like a tank with 0 damage built, dealing top damage every game.

Soraka has by far the highest healing power in the game and she doesnt need to invest a single ounce of AP into her kit to do it.

This is why everyone hates soraka. She must be focused FIRST even if there is a superfed vayne on the enemy team because she will outheal all the damage done and still be healthy enough to keep the push going.

My suggestion is to gut her base healing and make her ratios amazing. If I have to spend my entire strategy around focusing the support, the support better be squishy.

36 Comments

Danjeng6 votes

Soraka does a lot of healing, that is true. But let me ask you, what's the cost for healing?

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

She gives her very life to heal... And nobody respects her for it. >.>

Danjeng1 votes

Poor raka who gave up her own celestial powers just to be stabbed by warwick.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

IKR?

Raka deserves so much more and better...

Danjeng1 votes

Best celestial gril.

Mega Annie X1 votes

WOW, no one ever notices her pathetic cost. She always has over half health after healing over 3k damage in a teamfight. Her cost are too low

Baby Ghoul4 votes

Soraka main here.

You're doing what most people do on here, which is over embellish to try to prove their point.

Soraka is the only champion in the game that does %true damage to herself. Her heals cost HP. Yes it is significant, and no it is not "pathetic."

The problem with Soraka is that she has incredible sustain against enemies that do not have a lot of burst damage. If you don't have enough burst on your team, then you're going to have a really difficult time against Soraka. On the flip side if the enemy is taking huge chunks out your team's health bar in one or two hits, then Soraka becomes irrelevant. She isn't able to keep up with the damage.

Redemption has sort of made up for Soraka's lackluster team fighting and skirmish performance by providing a burst heal, but that item is honestly buffing every support right now and should be nerfed.

What I would like to see is a balance between sustain and burst heals. Right now every Soraka must take W first, and max it as soon as possible and rely on that one ability. Perhaps they should look into requiring Soraka to land more QW combos for example. I don't know, but I just know that the nerfs to W didn't turn out great for anyone.

While Soraka isn't in an ideal place you are over exaggerating her strength and that ultimately makes nobody want to listen to what you're saying. She's too good against comps that don't have enough burst, and not that great against comps that do have the burst. If you're going up against a fed Vayne being supported by a Soraka then you need to dispatch your burst mage to take care of them. That should be standard for any fed ADC.

There's a reason Soraka consistently preforms poorly against supports like Sona, Brand, Lux, and Zilean. They do an amazing amount of damage through their combos.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Hey now, not so drastic!

I feel most people's issues with her is that her healing is burst.

What if she tether healed?

Revali1 votes

id rather it be regen like her q healing when she hits one, it'd create easier ways to get around her healing, I don't mind ult burst healing because well, that's an ultimate, not a basic ability and it lets you manage to still pressure her patient that shes sustaining because its not press w 2 times full hp, etc.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

If her healing is downgraded to pure regen boosting then her other skills would need to be buffed to compensate.

Otherwose you could walk all over her and her carry and she would heal them to slow to matter.

Revali1 votes

you wouldn't 'walk all over them' her point is to sustain you, not to let you get back over 800+ health in less than one or two seconds, I wouldn't mind her q being buffed a bit back to having bonus damage, and potentially give bonus regen for soraka if she hits dead center to reward her for hitting a well aimed skillshot, etc.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

No her point is to heal and protect.

If the best she could do is make her carry's health bar climb a little faster than normal, she better do other things, otherwise she can be replaced by potions.

Spicy Rice4 votes

I personally think that she needs diminishing returns for healing the same person over and over.

That way, she becomes manageable in lane, while still preserving her presence in team fights.

It also allows you to focus the adc down without worrying about raka healing 500 hp every 2 secs

Mega Annie X2 votes

wtih ZERO AP INVESTMENT.

If sona could heal 1/3rd that she would be nerfed into the ground.

Quepha4 votes

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wtih ZERO AP INVESTMENT.

If sona could heal 1/3rd that she would be nerfed into the ground.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Support&sortBy=general.totalHeal&order=descend

Sona's average total healing per game is a little less than half Soraka's and every time she heals she applies an equal strength shield on ALL targets around her, potentially blocking even more damage than she healed.

nm10102 votes

Well if Soraka could shield 1/3 of what Sona could she... item 3190 well fuck.

######Yes I know Sona can build it too, stop being spoil sports.

Danjeng3 votes

I'm not sure if you are trolling or never bothered to look at support items. Supports build items that give % increase to healing, not AP. Also, your example

To put that in context, that is like a tank with 0 damage built, dealing top damage every game.

Is very wrong. No, it's not like that. That is like a tank with 0 damage built, tanking top damage every game. Soraka is a HEALER. It is what she does. She builds items that give % healing increase, and therefore does a lot of healing. Soraka's whole purpose is healing. She doesn't provide anything else (apart from her Equinox, but that's only one ability).

Your complaint is as bizarre as saying tanks shouldn't tank so well. Or ADC's shouldn't auto attack so well.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

You mean like Summoner Heal?

That just might be enough.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Basically.

However, if riot did implement that, they would probably have to change how grevious wounds interacted with her heals

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

It also allows you to focus the adc down without worrying about raka healing 500 hp every 2 secs

That is literally her only function so if you can focus the adc down next to a soraka, then why would anyone ever pick soraka?

Spicy Rice1 votes

Because of her huge heal values and aoe silence?

If you really want her to continuously be able to heal, you could change her to be like kass. Each continuous heal uses a greater and greater percentage of her hp.

Personally, I don't think it would be fun for the soraka player to deal with, but these are the only 2 solutions I can think of to balance her (without giving her a full rework)

Quepha3 votes

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To put that in context, that is like a tank with 0 damage built, dealing top damage every game.

No, it isn't, those aren't even remotely similar.

Handy Sandy 2 votes

They kind of are.

Tank = Should do no damage because they build health rather than AD, still the highest damage in the game Soraka = Should heal a small amount because she built no stats supporting her healing power, still heals the most in the game

Basically, not building stats to support the function they're made for which is supposed to make them kinda useless.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Tanks generally deal primarily AoE damage, hit squishy targets (meaning their damage isn't mitigated) and survive longer in fighters.

Squishies generally deal primarily single-target damage, hit durable targets (since they can't reach the enemy back-line) and are focused down early in fights.

Also, top-laners tend to trade frequently and constantly, racking up a lot of damage over the laning phase even if it doesn't lead to kills.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Well she's built to heal, like a top tank is built to tank.

Erockandroll1 votes

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Well she's built to heal, like a top tank is built to tank.

And people will complain, because were comparing a solo laner to someone who should be gold/xp starved. No one wants to play support because of how little agency they have from the gold/xp deficit, yet cry broken when a support does actually reach that level of agency.

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If only Soraka WAS squishy... if only you know? If only...

Remind me, are people still building that Warmorgs build? 3k hp is certainly enough to prevent a ton of burst. But the real reason it was a problem was that it nullified her main weakness of HP regen.

Though I wouldn't imagine so, as the warmorgs build wouldn't have the same level of heals as if you went Redemption, + some other item.

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wtih ZERO AP INVESTMENT.

If sona could heal 1/3rd that she would be nerfed into the ground.

Obviously Sona's kit isn't made for single target healing, as sona heals herself, one ally, and gives her allies a shield. This really isn't a good comparison. But it seems to me that you think a healer designed to heal one target in particular, is some how unhealthy. Much more so that Raka is way more specialized in healing than sona is.

Though in my personal preference, I think Sona's kit better uses the healing utilities available. Utilities like Ardent Censor and Windspeakers get applied to all her allies which she tags with her shield.

420Trumpforprez1 votes

you still get a redemotion on warmogs build. You rush it too. that shit is too good not to get

Quepha1 votes

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They kind of are.

Tank = Should do no damage because they build health rather than AD, still the highest damage in the game Soraka = Should heal a small amount because she built no stats supporting her healing power, still heals the most in the game

Which tanks spend significant portions of their health to deal damage? None, health costs become negligible in the late game for every champion that has them except for Aatrox and Soraka.

Is the primary purpose of a tank to deal damage? No, it is to be able to soak damage.

Is dealing damage the same as healing damage? No, they are nothing alike.

Jbels2 votes

{quoted}

No, it isn't, those aren't even remotely similar.

I think it would have been more accurate to say "That's like a tank building 0 defense and still never dying"

Quepha1 votes

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I think it would have been more accurate to say "That's like a tank building 0 defense and still never dying"

That's technically closer but I still don't think it's a relevant or useful comparison.

Korillo2 votes

If only Soraka WAS squishy... if only you know? If only...

Duke Anax2 votes

As a Soraka main, I feel she already got amazing ratios. The biggest problem I have with her is that she got way too much sustain, and not enough burst healing. Her Q W combo is very strong but delayed, that makes it incredibly good in poke situations like lane and siege, where she can fully use up that delay, but it makes her not as usefull in teamfights and engages.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

Soraka is supposed to be THE HEALER of the game. She is also a SUPPORT who doesn't get enough gold to build AP, specially with everything else that she has to buy. You increasing her ratios and gutting her bases is the same as telling her "you aren't allowed to be good at the one thing you are supposed to be good at so enjoy never being used ever again"

Mega Annie X1 votes

ok so why does her passive have damn near a half a map range? Why does she have an aoe silence? There are like only 2 other champs with an aoe silence. Why does she have an aoe slow? Why does the most powerul and abusive heal in the game have a range over 200?

I have no problem with soraka being able to heal like she does. It's having to go 1400 range to reach her in a teamfight OR AUTOLOSE that is a huge problem.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

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ok so why does her passive have damn near a half a map range? Why does she have an aoe silence? There are like only 2 other champs with an aoe silence. Why does she have an aoe slow? Why does the most powerul and abusive heal in the game have a range over 200?

I have no problem with soraka being able to heal like she does. It's having to go 1400 range to reach her in a teamfight OR AUTOLOSE that is a huge problem.

her passive is so that she can actually get to her teammates faster so she can actually heal them! Her Silence is very minor and you can just walk away from it! she is not chogath that as soon as you get silenced you are unable to do anything at all until his silence ends, you can just walk out of her silence zone which is done very easily since it doesn't even slow you. She has a slow so that she has some amount of utility. range over 200? so what you want her to be melee range for her to heal people?

There's this thing known as flaking you know? you flank her and kill her and she is not an issue. When you go at her entire team just from the front constantly and her frontline is able to stop you from getting to her every single time? then guess what? your teamcomp is god awful! also build a goddamn item 3165 or item 3123 and watch her heal for next to nothing

420Trumpforprez1 votes

tanks do so much dmg because they are alive the longest. If a an adc can do 500 dmg an atk but dies in 1-2 secs that is 1000 dmg done. Vs a tank who does 200-300 and attack but is alive for 5-6 secs then 300 *6 is 1800 dmg

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