Come on. Why must this cheese clown have basically full hp recovery that NEVER FADES. I am sitting her poking him and his grey health is literally at like 95% hp when he is sitting at 60%. What kind of r%%%%%ed crap is this. He blows away every other champion in the game on sustain while having some of the most toxic engage mechanics ever created.
Bârd46 votesYeah, that didn't happen.
The max grey HP is going to be either
At level 1 he's not exactly going to have much in the way of bonus AD. 4 from Targons, 12 from runes.
This means he stores up to 208 health. In order to store this much, he needs to accumulate 693 damage taken from enemy champions.
Pyke has 600 HP at level 1.
Tuition Fee13 votesThey can downvote you but they can't downvote the truth.
Kaìju9 votesThey hated him because he spoke the truth. I hate Pyke's grey health myself but I know it can't be as bad as OP is saying.
Tuition Fee1 votesFacts are facts lol. If Pyke could actually heal an entire bar of HP, he'd be a walking fountain and boards would NOT be this quite about him.
crispy661 votesYeah, that didn't happen.
The max grey HP is going to be either
- 80 (+800% bonus AD)
- 60% max HP
At level 1 he's not exactly going to have much in the way of bonus AD. 4 from Targons, 12 from runes.
This means he stores up to 208 health. In order to store this much, he needs to accumulate 693 damage taken from enemy champions.
Pyke has 600 HP at level 1.
imagine my shock, someone on the boards is over exaggerating and crying ? wow
The thigh guy25 votesBut if Pyke isn’t broken, what will all the mid laners who get auto filled play? :(
Votable Jester13 votes
FilDaFunk2 votesThat's assuming they play mages. Not Yasuo.
Votable Jester2 votesBut if they played Yasuo they'd still play 
Rukaji1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3U9EF6Pw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-31T00:06:00.689+0000)
But if Pyke isn’t broken, what will all the mid laners who get auto filled play? :(
SpaghettiVase1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3U9EF6Pw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-31T00:06:00.689+0000)
But if Pyke isn’t broken, what will all the mid laners who get auto filled play? :(
I thought that was 's job?
Blåbæret14 votesHonestly, Pyke is such cancer that I put him up there with 
and . Pyke is just bad design and a tumor to the game.
boricCentaur17 votesPoke is not supposed to counter pyke he gets counted by all in that is why champions like leona do so well against him. Also he can only heal 60% of his maximum health so at level 1 it will heal a maximum of 360 and at level 18 it is 1440 so no that his entire health bar stop making shit up. Also wtf he has the most balanced engage in the game like do you actually play this game or did you just see a video and are crying about things you do not understand.
Bârd6 votesIt's actually 80 (+800% bonus AD), with a maximum of 60% max HP.
With Targons and double adaptive force in runes, that's up to 208 at level 1, and you need to take more damage than you have HP for that to happen.
boricCentaur11 votesYeah I know I just didn't want to do the math since im lazy so I went for the easy impossible math. Good job on the math bty.
Illabethe5 votesExcept it's NOT Health until you let him out of your vision.
Learn. How. To. Ward.
Learn. How. To. Ignite.
Learn. How. To. CC.
koshkyra29 votesPlease stop using CC as an argument as “counterplay”. I agree with ignite and warding but CC is counterplay equally to literally every champion in the game.
KFCeytron7 votesPlease stop using CC as an argument as “counterplay”. I agree with ignite and warding but CC is counterplay equally to literally every champion in the game.
Some champions are countered by CC more than others. CCing, say, a Garen won't accomplish much, because he'll probably reduce the duration and he has high defenses anyway, but Pyke literally can't gain bonus health, and his defense/sustain relies on getting out of fights to regenerate. If you CC him, he can't do that, and then all that grey health doesn't do anything.
Karfuss2 votesPlease stop using CC as an argument as “counterplay”. I agree with ignite and warding but CC is counterplay equally to literally every champion in the game.
CC counters squishier champions way more than it would a tank, Pyke is no exception.
I agree Pyke's healing, at the very least, needs kneecapping but the notion that CC counters everyone equally and cannot be used as a method of counterplay is absurd.
Yi is built around the idea of being unstoppable lest he is CC'd, and by that logic, he should be Kalista nerfed and never seen again.
InspiringMilk3 votesUhh, no. CC is only better against squishies because they can take less hits before dying during a stun. Otherwise both a braum anda katarina can't move or cast spells.
Karfuss3 votesUhh, no. CC is only better against squishies because they can take less hits before dying during a stun.
Right. So CC hurts certain champions more than others, and choosing champions with CC against champions hurt MORE by CC is beneficial.
You'll find that's called 'counterpicking' and using said CC is called 'counterplaying.' Yi is built around this concept, it's hardly new.
Flawless Fetus1 votes
200220125 votesanecdotal evidence at its finest
Sillae4 votesDon't you know you're supposed to have the entire map warded jeez
14daysuspensionk3 votesYou forgot how he can swim away in complete stealth unable to find him as he's low health and when you do find him he's back to full hp.
Moonscourge2 votesIts 180 of his over 500 health. Plus it is only equal to 30% of damage taken, meaning that if he took 300 damage he won't even heal 100 HP, the other 200 stick to him as damage.
Also "most toxic engage mechanics ever created" lmao A hook he has to charge + a stun. Never seen before mechanics.
Jerry SeinfeId2 votesI am sitting her poking him and his grey health is literally at like 95% hp when he is sitting at 60%.
i doubt that's true.
some of the most toxic engage mechanics ever created.
a charged hook into a stun, so both 
& 
would be considered even more toxic
or
a dash into slow into stun if you didnt' manage to sidestep which pretty much comes down to the same as a 
or 
combo.
have you actually tried dodging his hook? or just blowing him up when he dashes through your whole team with no ability to build hp?
Profirix2 votesAftershock makes him incredibly tanky during engages.
Jerry SeinfeId1 votesas it does with anyone who can proc it. imo aftershock should lose early game power and scale better into late as compensation i guess. either that or lose it's offensive scalings so it's not very attractive for bruisers (and pyke).
Profirix1 votesI'm torn about aftershock. I really like how it gives CC champions a little bit of an edge for a brief period of time, but there needs to be something to it, like you deal reduced damage while aftershock is active, so that you have higher survivability but you cant just 100-0 a person and do it safely. That would make it a better choice for tanks, but also in niche cases like Lissandra it will let them have a little more survivabilty.
