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Well I did it, I snapped and raged super hard at my support.

NathanusMaximus··36 votes·4,072 views

Due to the chat restrictions, you cannot defend yourself when someone rages at you out of fear you might get restricted for defending yourself. Because of this, you just have to eat up the rage and swallow it. Gotta keep bottling it up and it's NOT healthy!! I spent the past 5 days playing ranked, accepting the rage from my team when I was doing nothing wrong but every team needs someone to rage at and because I was the only player not talking, they chose me.

All this rage built up, and every time someone raged, I would get a massive urge to tell them where to shove it and possibly get restricted.

In the game I just played I was playing well. Always grouping when everyone else wanted too, was pretty fed too and had nice cs. Was a pretty free game until out of nowhere, my support just starts spamming chat for no reason. Raging at me for whatever reason she could think of. I did nothing wrong all game and she just never stopped spamming caps. > ''ASHE!!!! WTF!!! NOOB???'' > ''ASHE!!! LEARN TO PLAY ADC NOOB!!''

At one point, I stated 3 times, ''doing Red then getting LW then we team fight!!'' I was at Red and our Aatrox was Top lane clearing a triple wave. Leona was mid with Xerath and Rek'Sai against 5 enemies. She goes in. 3v5. They lose and die.

> ''ASHE WTF!!! WITH TEAM F^CKING NOOB!!! WTF NOOB!!!!! REPORT THIS NOOB!!! LOOK ASHE!! LOOK AT HER!!!''

Same scenario about 5 minutes later but they are bot and I am taking enemy Red to stop Graves from getting it. She goes in 3v5 and dies, I get inhib top AND mid in exchange for their 3 deaths.

> ''LOOK THIS F^CKING ASHE!!! DOING INHIBS WHEN WE TEAMFIGHT!!! REPORT THIS F^CKING BRONZE TROLL!!!!'' > ''F^CKING NOOB ASHE REPORT!!!''

Teamfight came up, 5v5. Aatrox, Rek'Sai and Leona all go straight for their Graves (Which at this point did no damage because I crushed him bot but they focus him anyway). While doing this, their tank Amumu and tank Gragas come at us and destroy us. I kite my way out of there, barely surviving but Xerath dies. While focusing Graves, their midlaner killed them all. I am the only survivor with like 50HP. > ''THIS F^CKING ASHE AGAIN!!! ALWAYS F^CKING RUNNING!!! NEVER WITH TEAM!! NOOB NOOB NOOB NOOB!!!'' > ''I COPY ASHE!!!!!''

At this point she begins to solo push top lane and does not group for the rest of game. We went top with her but she recalled and pushed bot instead. We lost 4v5. But to the point. After she started raging at me after that fight, I snapped. All that bottled up anger from previous games just burst out, I couldn't stop myself. > ''ASHE THIS! ASHE THAT!!!! ASHE F^CKING THIS!! ASHE F^CKING THAT!!!!'' > ''TRY FOCUSING ON YOUR OWN SH^TTY F^CKING GAMEPLAY BEFORE CRYING ABOUT ME!!!'' > ''NOT ONCE HAVE YOU PROTECTED ME OR XERATH ALL GAME!! ALWAYS F^CKING OPEN KAT!!!!'' > ''KAT WALKS UP TO US AND JUST INSTAKILLS US BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR F^CKING JOB!!!'' > ''DO YOUR F^CKING JOB BEFORE COMMENTING ON MINE!!!'' > ''F^CKING TOXIC D^CK!!!'' > ''SHUT!!'' > ''THE!!!'' > ''F^CK!!!'' > ''UP!!!!!''

Yup. I snapped. That is about 5 days of built of rage gathered in solo queue. If in previous games I could have said > ''Dude, stop crying about me. You pushed with no wards and got punished for it. It's not my fault'' Then I would not have snapped. But the above sentence is enough to warrant a report in solo queue because everyone is so super sensitive and I don't want a restriction on my account. Due to that, I had to bottle up all the hate and it eventually overwhelmed me. The Chat Restriction System is unhealthy and broken. I genuinely fear, that I log in tomorrow with a nice chat restriction message.

Apologies for the wall of text. If you didn't read, fair enough. Just wanted to vent somewhere about my hatred for this broken report system.

Riot, do something about this please. I get raged at for 5 days and I say nothing. I rage in 1 game against a super toxic kid and I'm probably getting restricted because of it. This system makes no sense :/

85 Comments

Kazaashi33 votes

You could always mute people.

Unfortunately, verbally abusing someone who is abusing you is not the correct response. The best thing is to mute someone if they are saying things that are bothering you. You can still see their pings and they can see yours, so no communication is missed.

NathanusMaximus4 votes

Tried that a while back. Any time someone ever started raging I would instantly mute. Early and mid is fine but without actual communication late game I always lost. Always forced to unmute my team, regardless of toxicity to win games

The5lacker13 votes

Do you really think they're going to communicate with you after raging the whole game?

AbodyHUN6662 votes

Pings were introduced for the sole reason of being able to mute people and not lose communication. When I mute the rager in my team I only see their plays, I even congratulate them, because I forget that they are dicks. xD It's never the lack of communication losing the game, it's more my allies and the rager not paying attention anymore.

Chaotic Reks10 votes

thats like saying if someone punches you in the face, you have to sit there and ignore it and than tell an authoritative person instead of standing up for yourself. god i fucking hate this society; a society of victims

qetzel9 votes

No, it is more like someone coming up to you in the street, shouting that you are shit and you shouting back at them that they are shit. It is immature.

God I hate this society; a society of children

Chaotic Reks2 votes

so what you are saying is it is childish and immature for me to defend my pride (yes, i have too much pride and this is my main issue). but i feel that if someone is attacked in anyway, they have the right to defend themselves

qetzel8 votes

Pride is good. I have a lot of pride. That is why I don't lower myself to the level of the idiots by shouting back at them.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Wait, we're not supposed to do that?

Biffolo1 votes

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thats like saying if someone punches you in the face, you have to sit there and ignore it and than tell an authoritative person instead of standing up for yourself. god i fucking hate this society; a society of victims

^This. Yea, its the PROPER thing to do by technicality, but someone punches you, any person is going to be pissed and defend themselves. It's NATURAL to defend yourself. Forcing people to go against what should be a right is kind of screwed IMO.

Daen1 votes

If some jerk walks over and punches you, you can have him/her arrested and charged. Getting into a brawl doesn't solve anything, and it's a lot more likely to get you both thrown in jail.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

that means you HAVE to rely on someone else to deal with your problem instead of solving it yourself. yes, the problem is solved, but you did nothing but throw it upon someone else

Daen1 votes

Relying on someone else to deal with your problems is the entire foundation of modern society. I don't want to deal with the problem of gathering my own food, so I pay other people to do it for me. The same applies to violence; I don't want to deal with the problem of getting myself arrested, so I pay other people to arrest the aggressor for me.

More importantly, does me deciding to punch the guy that punched me in retaliation solve the problem? I would argue that it doesn't, especially since it can result in much bigger problems for myself down the line.

manbearswine1 votes

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You could always mute people.

Unfortunately, verbally abusing someone who is abusing you is not the correct response. The best thing is to mute someone if they are saying things that are bothering you. You can still see their pings and they can see yours, so no communication is missed.

Why? Do they deserve better? Cause jesus said "turn the other cheek"?

It's a perfectly viable response,you don't have to do it,but I won't blame anyone who will.

Kazaashi3 votes

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Why? Do they deserve better? Cause jesus said "turn the other cheek"?

It's a perfectly viable response,you don't have to do it,but I won't blame anyone who will.

Because that is how society works. You can be a child and cry and kick and scream when someone does something you don't like. Or you could be an adult and be better than them. The choice is yours, don't complain about the consequences of your actions. Just do something different if you don't like them.

manbearswine1 votes

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Because that is how society works.

No it isn't.

You can be a child and cry and kick and scream when someone does something you don't like. Or you could be an adult and be better than them.

That's not how it is at all,as far as that guy is concerned he just insulted you with no repercussions.

The choice is yours, don't complain about the consequences of your actions. Just do something different if you don't like them.

What consequences?

Kazaashi1 votes

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That's not how it is at all,as far as that guy is concerned he just insulted you with no repercussions.

The repercussions are that I will report him if it gets bad enough, but, if it was me, I would have muted them at that point.

I've received a lot of verbal abuse in my life from people who matter to me, so it doesn't really bother me when some internet jerk types things at me.

What consequences?

I believe the chat restrictions and a possible ban are the consequences.

manbearswine1 votes

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The repercussions are that I will report him if it gets bad enough,

Oh noes,maybe he would even get chat restricted! the horror! I will report him either way,this way I also get to tell him to go fuck himself on the way,I prefer this option.

but, if it was me, I would have muted them at that point.

Good for you,doesn't mean that's what everyone must be doing.

I've received a lot of verbal abuse in my life from people who matter to me, so it doesn't really bother me when some internet jerk types things at me.

I don't think it really bothers anyone at this point,I just believe in an attitude of "you reap what you sow",you flame me->I flame you,and ofc the report.

I believe the chat restrictions and a possible ban are the consequences.

For flaming back? Might be,league ban rules are arbitrary as hell,who reports you,how much,and for what is basically what dictates it,what you are doing is nearly irrelevant,unless you are literally a saint(in your games),in which case you can get it revoked by contacting riot.

Kazaashi1 votes

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Oh noes,maybe he would even get chat restricted! the horror! I will report him either way,this way I also get to tell him to go fuck himself on the way,I prefer this option.

Does this do any good if you get banned also? Do you really feel better?

Good for you,doesn't mean that's what everyone must be doing.

Then they shouldn't complain about being banned or chat restricted.

I don't think it really bothers anyone at this point,I just believe in an attitude of "you reap what you sow",you flame me->I flame you,and ofc the report.

How does this help you or make the community better? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

For flaming back? Might be,league ban rules are arbitrary as hell,who reports you,how much,and for what is basically what dictates it,what you are doing is very relevant,unless you are literally a saint(in your games),in which case you can get it revoked by contacting riot.

So by flaming back at them, you are basically removing your chances of Riot reversing an unjust ban. gg, wp.

manbearswine1 votes

{quoted}

Does this do any good if you get banned also? Do you really feel better?

Flaming back has little to do with getting banned,most people won't report the guy who is being insulted,and those who do are supposedly assholes who's reports don't weigh much.

For example,I've never had a warning or a chat restriction,yet I completely mirror the attitude I receive.

Then they shouldn't complain about being banned or chat restricted.

That's stupid,I will stand up for those who stand up for themselves,and I definitely disagree with them getting banned for just that.

How does this help you or make the community better?

Aside from the ban the flamer may or may not receive,he immediately get's negative feedback on his actions.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Fine,you go blind alone then,and the bully get's to keep his sight,great.

So by flaming back at them, you are basically removing your chances of Riot reversing an unjust ban. gg, wp.

Look unless you are as I've said "literally a saint",they will find some dirt on you regardless,so unless you are one of those people who never ever complains or says anything back,this isn't something you can rely on.

I remember reading some tribunal cases when it was up,in some case the guy basically got (perma)banned for "going nocturne mid and doing rather poorly",not to mention all the bans druid droid(and that guy really is "literally a saint" as far as his games go) has received,not sure if any of those has been revoked.

The only tribunal case I saw revoked was some support player who just did nothing wrong,at all,like didn't even have a bad score,or said anything slightly provoking.

FreshMeat7072 votes

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Does this do any good if you get banned also? Do you really feel better?

You're not going to get banned for defending yourself. Riot isn't just a ban-bot that takes one look at a report and goes, "Welp fuck you, you're outta here."

Then they shouldn't complain about being banned or chat restricted.

I'm sorry, are you implying that you're better than everyone else here? Bc that's what i feel like it is.

How does this help you or make the community better? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

So you're saying that we just let toxic players go around and corrupt without getting told anything? Gee, aren't you one smart cookie?

So by flaming back at them, you are basically removing your chances of Riot reversing an unjust ban. gg, wp.

Look back at comment 1. Riot. Is. Not. Heartless. If everyone got banned from one report, trolls would report for no reason and NO ONE would be able to play this game bc we would all be banned. They have records of games, they can look back through them and get the real story. P.S., that gg,wp at the end makes me want to punch you in the throat.

Look, im not trying to be hostile, or toxic, or a douche in any sense. But ^this makes you look like a jerk (especially that "gg,wp." crap.) I can see good points in BOTH your sides of the argument, but it's nothing to keep a grudge against, just make it your opinion and leave people alone, you dont need to start a flame war in a community that is already under heavy fire. This will be my last and only comment in this section, and i recommend that you 2 do the same as well.

Kazaashi1 votes

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P.S., that gg,wp at the end makes me want to punch you in the throat.

That is verbal assault is reportable and a bannable offense if you do it enough. I mean that to illustrate a point and as a joke.

Its not the one report that will get you a ban, but that way of thinking creates a patter of behavior that promotes people defending themselves by responding to flames. If everyone adopted this way of thinking, games would devolve into shouting matches if things don't go perfectly.

FreshMeat7071 votes

Now i'm breaking my rule. Oh well.

Did you even READ the first sentence of the last section? If you feel harmed, my apologies, but remember not everyone is gonna apologize and remorse.

Angry Monster2 votes

No it isn't.

actually it is. If you just start yelling and screaming in public the cops will come. People do not yell and scream back. If you do this shit at a work place your fired.

That's not how it is at all,as far as that guy is concerned he just insulted you with no repercussions.

Who cares what the other guy thinks. If you think your reply is reportable and punishable, obviously the other guy is also punishable.

What consequences? in game or out of game? In game punishments are documented and quite a few people even make threads saying not fair. IRL punishments include time in prison and cash fines(disturbing the peace).

manbearswine1 votes

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actually it is. If you just start yelling and screaming in public the cops will come. People do not yell and scream back. If you do this shit at a work place your fired.

Except that you start nothing,all you do is retaliate,which as long as it kept purely as retaliation,no,they generally won't.

Who cares what the other guy thinks. If you think your reply is reportable and punishable,

EVERYTHING is reportable and punishable,EVERYTHING.

obviously the other guy is also punishable.

Considering everything is,yes,so what?

in game or out of game? In game punishments are documented and quite a few people even make threads saying not fair. IRL punishments include time in prison and cash fines(disturbing the peace).

Fine,feel free to let people walk all over you then.

Enkidusmurf9 votes

I almost never say this to people who post about rage.

I don't think you were out of line. If I were in game, I would not have reported you. I probably would have reported Leona, if she's going in 3v5 when you said you'd be elsewhere and then blaming you when she loses the fight.

I'm more of a tilter than a rager, but here are a couple of things that have helped me skate through some of these situations without vomiting creative strings of cuss words on the offender (which I have sometimes done, I admit.)

If you can, make a joke out of it. Especially if it's just a playful joke at your own expense, this can relieve the tension. For example:

"wtf are you talking about, kid? Just got promoted to Bronze 3. I'm the fucking best. ;)"

Follow up with a calm explanation of why she's out to lunch, so she doesn't think you're a troll.

"But seriously, I told you I'd be taking red. You can engage without me if you want, but don't blame me when you lose the fight."

If neither of these seems like it'd be effective, just type in all-chat:

"This toxic Leona . . . "

Usually, if she's a legitimate problem, they'll understand, and report the right person.

Really, though, these boards need a Rage Support Group. It might help people out if they know they can just kvetch to sympathetic ears after the game.

FreshMeat7071 votes

"Really, though, these boards need a Rage Support Group. It might help people out if they know they can just kvetch to sympathetic ears after the game."

Give this man a cookie.

AxlStream8 votes

You forgot the first rule of Bronze : Never teamfight.

Terchio7 votes

Why does everyone think one game gets you restricted?

Yes, it can happen, but you have to be REALLY offensive to make that happen. F*CK is not going to land that on you, especially if pestered like that. Both offenders in an obscenity exchange can be banned, but I have seen several people who had been banned try to pass themselves off as good-ol'-boys. Trust me, this exchange you have here looks saintly compared to the junk they spew.

Long story short: You're not getting restricted from this. Heck, even Leona is safe, most likely, though she should get harsher treatment for instigating. This is small potatoes compared to the rest of League, and there's like no chance something will happen, even if all 9 report ya.

All that aside, it is a serious problem, but there's hardly a cure for it. The last thing they want to do is ban 10% of their playerbase, then lose all their friends, too. It's like these players need to explain to mommy why they lost, and they do it by chewing you out. So, how exactly do you punish these players if they must play your game?

Linthe5 votes

Dont bottle it up. Mute, report and move on.

H0riz0n2341 votes

How do you know they were punished for the report? Theres millions of players on league and saying that all of your reports are considered and acted upon is dumb. I still believe there should be a system where it tells you if the player was punished or is close to it. Otherwise your trusting a complete stranger who hasn't been in the same game as you to make a decision. If I reported a player I would want to know if action was taken even if he wasn't punished(Makes me know someone is seeing my reports)

Linthe2 votes

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How do you know they were punished for the report? Theres millions of players on league and saying that all of your reports are considered and acted upon is dumb. I still believe there should be a system where it tells you if the player was punished or is close to it. Otherwise your trusting a complete stranger who hasn't been in the same game as you to make a decision. If I reported a player I would want to know if action was taken even if he wasn't punished(Makes me know someone is seeing my reports)

I don't know. I can't know. But what I DO know is that doing nothing means that they WONT be punished.

H0riz0n2341 votes

Doesnt help my peace of mind.

Malix Farwin4 votes

Well besides the obvious muting people, the fact that you are on chat restriction means you had much more then the occasional outburst every now and then.

Sinlaire2 votes

he didnt get it. he's posting about he's afraid of getting it from the one game detailed in the post.

IcyPepper3 votes

Well to be fair, for most raging responses yours was actually logical and somewhat justified.

Thought I'd never say that before, but hey. I think you'll be fine (if they ever check chat logs, you bet your ass Leona would get a chat restriction before you)

jmaishere1 votes

{quoted}

Well to be fair, for most raging responses yours was actually logical and somewhat justified.

Thought I'd never say that before, but hey. I think you'll be fine (if they ever check chat logs, you bet your ass Leona would get a chat restriction before you)

but with no tribunal they just ban everyone

IcyPepper2 votes

Really wish they'd bring that back.

Why was it stopped in the first place...?

DisasterSola4 votes

{quoted}

Really wish they'd bring that back.

Why was it stopped in the first place...?

Tribunal was canned because riot doesnt want to devote resources to putting power in the hands of the players.

Theyve developed an almighty complex where they only listen to the true church of rito (Reddit...) and its followers. The rest of us (Boards and facebook) are tolerated, but were still heretical sects. Boards itself was an attempt by the holy church of rito to convert forumites into redditors. Facebook is dying, and twitter died long ago.

Orangesilk3 votes

Woah dude, that shit's unhealthy, stop playing the game for a bit.

Fredart3 votes

Oh noes you shit talked on a videogame boo fucking hoo. If they weren't ready for the big boy words then they would have left chat filter on.

TripNichols2 votes

So, I supp main, and in Bronze, so if you ever want to duo, I'd love to.

P.S., I'm the opposite of ragey. I support. Ha.

TripNichols

Aerothal2 votes

that mute button doe...so useful

Droogzy2 votes

Whenever I get a rager I usually just joke it off, if you just crack jokes, at your own expense than eventually at the rager's expense, you get the rest of your team on your side.

Believe me, as a jungler I am quite experienced with this XD

Leaf of the lake2 votes

You don't get chat restriction for a single report (or even a stream of reports from a single game). If you didn't get a message after the game that you were reported, I wouldn't worry about it.

Sirsir2 votes

Mute button. People like that leona forfeit their right to have an opinion. I will calmly point out their mistakes then mute them, and that will be that. The worst thing you can do is give those ragers their satisfaction.

High Lord Blaze2 votes

Please. Use mute button... Normally I end up using it for at least one, more often two, people, almost always on my team. Either they're raging or I don't want to hear how little Timmy needs to tell Bobby to do his homework from Johnny (please keep conversations like that private. I don't care about your homework). Seriously, the latter happens a lot.

DreadPirateChris2 votes

{quoted}

That is about 5 days of built of rage gathered in solo queue. If in previous games I could have said > ''Dude, stop crying about me. You pushed with no wards and got punished for it. It's not my fault'' Then I would not have snapped. But the above sentence is enough to warrant a report in solo queue because everyone is so super sensitive and I don't want a restriction on my account.

You could say that. You can't be punished for saying -exactly- that. The thing people get punished for is saying something -like- that but with a couple ... little... changes. ''Noob, stop crying about me. You pushed with no wards and got your dumb ass handed to you for it. It's not my fault you're a moron.'' -That- can get you punished. (And then the people who get punished are shocked that they got punished because they couldn't possibly be toxic if they aren't swearing...)

-However-, I don't really recommend getting into it. Trying to place blame is only going to fuel the fire. Most people recognize excuse-making when they see it, which is what blaming someone else for your own death is, with very few exceptions (Blitz or Darius pulling in the wrong target and giving them a free gap close and a bad Bard ult can really screw you over in ways that you can't really play around and still play with your team. They usually know what they did wrong though and blaming them in chat is only going to create bad feeling among the team.)

With a rager like your support in that game, I would have muted them very early and reported them at the end of the game. I'm not going to listen to that crap.

In general I don't have a lot of use for chat, TBH. It does get me free kills sometimes though, when someone is standing in the middle of the lane venting their rage at length and scrambles to even start moving around the time their health bar hits zero. I'll never understand how people have time to get into these lengthy arguments. If you're a laner, you should be CSing, shopping, or positioning for the next objective or fight. If you're a support you should be warding, sweeping, shopping, or positioning for harass, peel, the next objective, or the next fight. If you're a jungler, you should be farming, warding, sweeping, or shopping -- and looking for the next gank or objective opportunity at the same time or postioning for such a gank or objective. Maybe once every 3-5 minutes I might be autopathing such a long distance that I have time to type a couple whole sentences. Usually I only take the time to say things like 'drag under 1min' or whatever when a single ping is not going to send a clear message. (Nobody gets it when I ping an empty dragon pit.)

I simply have no time to play the blame-game or get dragged down into toxic fights when there's a match going on. Nobody who wants to win their game does, actually, even though many seem to believe all that time standing still and arguing is somehow going to help.

FreshMeat7072 votes

League: BEAUTIFUL GAME!!!!!!......

....that's ruined by assholes, cheaters, toxic players, and trolls.

This entire fucking GAME needs a community re-check, i agree with you. It's not every day that you play bots Darius and a Silver Katarina joins and KS and mocks you when you dont get the kill, "OMG THIS DARIUS IS TOTAL SHIT. IM SOOOOO GOOD YOU'RE SOOOOOO BAD!!!!!"

(I know you're out there, you toxic f*cker. I'll find you.)

Verxint2 votes

I'm probably going to come off as harsh, but you just need to get over what other people think or do. I can almost guarantee you won't get a chat restriction or ban if you aren't actually abusive. I defend myself, I am in no way nice about it, and I have even flamed people. Yet I have never been warned, banned, or restricted.

The trick is don't get baited into a he did she did argument. State your defense rationally, one time, and leave it at that. Possibly ask them to focus on the game in a non-provocative manner. The fact that you aren't responding to their emotions will either make them shut up, or cause them to go into a blinding rage because. Either situation is fine, because in the latter you just mute and report since they'll have pissed the rest of your team off. Just don't appear like you're also raging. Don't ask for teammates or enemies support. Don't make it about proving yourself to the rager-you won't change him. And never be the first one to talk in all chat. As long as it's clear you want to play the game, not talk, you'll get less reports than someone who is purely raging. Also, people who frequently put out false reports have their reports valued down. It's possible to have the system almost ignore someone's reports. So don't worry that you can get restricted because someone has a tantrum. If they're inclined to report people for trivial shit, their reports are probably worthless.

I have a number or problems with how Riot does stuff, but I don't believe people get punished for behavior things wrongly. You can defend yourself, but if vindicating yourself becomes more important than winning, you're no better than the rager. Like I said, just use a non emotional response based on fact.

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