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Sona x Rubick8 votes

league always had trouble dealing with ranged champions due to the cough lack of turn rates cough

but even without turn rates it doesn't matter, because for example the base AD of ranged champions are like between 5 and 10 inferior, while in dota 2 they have like between 10 and 30 less AD. Why is it important? because it's important for a ranged champion to have less AD to compensate the fact that have 400 more range than you.

Ahristocats4 votes

why is this downvoted while it's true? lmfao, nothing said was false

let's add to this the fact that ranged champs have FUCKING DISENGAGE which makes no sens (not all of them) Lissandra is the perfect example, followed by Kennen good thing that he is trash atm Gnar IS EVEN FUCKING WORSE since he has ms buff+jump

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Remember back when positioning mattered? Sigh

Only Play Darius1 votes

Turn rate?

Sona x Rubick1 votes

when dota allstar was released it had turn rates in it, your champion would take time to turn (between 0.09 second and 0.15 second) this looks like nothing, but if you want to kite you need to turn 2 times which makes it suddenly a high delay, this gives melee champions time to attack ranged champions if they are being kited.

but then, when league was released after dota 1, the designers didn't put turn rates in the game.

to be honest, turn rate is a good idea but can be avoided to make the game better, it's just that riot doesn't bother to find a way to balance ranged champs over melee one.

Buff Jax please4 votes

These forums think that melee champs are op.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Ekko, Gangplank, Shen, Gragas, Rek'Sai, Braum, Trundle. Some of the most contested picks in the highest level of play. And what do they all have in common? They're all melee.

Great Muta2 votes

Ekko has more range than a lot of ranged champs.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

What? Does that even make sense to you? He has one ability that does damage at range (that he controls)

And my point it not to say melee are OP, but rather to point out how you are wrong. If ranged champions were so strong, would we have seen all those melee champions in the LCS?

Buff Jax please2 votes

All of those except GP who already got nerfed massively are picked as supports/utility picks. Who set up the carries on their team and tank for them as meatshields.

There is not a single viable melee carry except Yasuo who is a) not really melee and b) completely overpowered since this patch but before he was never played either.

Melee champs can't do damage anymore because doing damage from range is just 10 times better and safer cause you don't have the burden of closing the gap.

Only Play Darius1 votes

And they all build straight tank. When you are there to soak up damage instead of deal it your range hardly matters.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Doesn't apply to ekko, he got nerfed for a few times now but can still abuse it.

ProfDrDeath3 votes

Of those top 20, 7 champions have more than 5% pickrate, indicating common popularity:

  • Yasuo - high winrate due to the build and a bug introduced in 6.17, where he can auto-attack despite his ult's intended lockout.
  • Jinx - recently buffed (which was a mistake, imo). Also, always has a good winrate in yoloqueue due to high snowballiness.
  • Soraka - Cancer. Benefactor of the strong healing support itemization after 6.13.
  • Anivia - Barely over 5%. Strong in solos due to waveclear and good burst.
  • Annie - Braindead easy to play. Counters Yasuo and assassins (popular soloqueue picks) in general. On top, good against immobile squishies, too. Could use a nerf, too.
  • MissFortune - Snowbally ADC that profits from the ArPen builds. The only one who escaped nerfs for it, too.
  • Sona - See Soraka.

These top 20 champions contain 6 top laners (4 are ranged, but none of those 4 is especially common), 3 junglers (2 are ranged, but 1 is rarely played), 5 midlaners (all ranged, but 3 of them are uncommon), 3 ADCs (obviously ranged) and 3 supports (2 ranged and cancer, one is Sion who should flat-out not work as a support (imo)).

Of the 7 common champs, all are strong in their intended position save for Yasuo, who is bugged. Also, if a few of the ADCs have that high a winrate, there is bound to be an equal amount of ADCs that do not feature high winrates - which, as a look on the ADC winrate statistics shows, is also true. The two most popular ADCs have subpar winrates.

Also, looking at popularity:

  • 9 and a half of the 10 most popular tops are melee.
  • 3 of the 10 most popular mid laners.
  • 7 of the 10 most popular junglers are melee.

Overall, looking only at winrate can be really misleading. Champions that have low pick rates usually have elevated winrates if they are at all viable, for two reasons:

  1. They are usually played by people who play them a lot, due to liking their styles, and thus know what they are doing.

  2. They counter the popular champions and playstyles to an extent, enabling them to perform better than expected.

adidas2 votes

Champion.gg isnt an accurate website for the sole reason that it accounts for other lanes and Plat + but only a handful of people.

It doesnt measure every single Plat+ person in a region... it only measures a small percentage of plat+ players and thats what we call anecdotal evidence

For example, rank 1 is aurelion sol jungle with a 0.4% play rate.. Lets be honest can we actually dictate any information from that <.<

But i 100000% agree with you that its a ranged meta. I hate picking melee champs jungle because it honestly just shows that you are just a liability after 15 minutes where you just instantly blow up without doing damage..

Top lane for example Gnar shits on every melee champ no question. Gangplank too

Great Muta3 votes

Even if you find it inaccurate, the point is clear. Ranged champs and Yasuo are stronger than non-ranged champs right now.

adidas1 votes

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Even if you find it inaccurate, the point is clear. Ranged champs and Yasuo are stronger than non-ranged champs right now.

read the rest of my post lol

Rain NT2 votes

Not a lot of people are good at non ranged champions. When a champion has no gap closer, crazy movement speed, and no range, its gg boys.

DraygenBiscuit1 votes

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Champion.gg isnt an accurate website for the sole reason that it accounts for other lanes and Plat + but only a handful of people.

It doesnt measure every single Plat+ person in a region... it only measures a small percentage of plat+ players and thats what we call anecdotal evidence

For example, rank 1 is aurelion sol jungle with a 0.4% play rate.. Lets be honest can we actually dictate any information from that <.<

Well Clearly Alerion Sol jungle is amazing lol its just very few people have figured out its secrets.

adidas1 votes

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Well Clearly Alerion Sol jungle is amazing lol its just very few people have figured out its secrets.

A champion with a .4% play rate essentially has 1 person contributing highly to its winrate

DraygenBiscuit2 votes

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A champion with a .4% play rate essentially has 1 person contributing highly to its winrate

I know but... I kinda want that to be a common thing... I mean can you imagine Giant dragons barreling through the jungles ganking lanes like a shooting star! It will be amazing! :D

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Champion.gg isnt an accurate website for the sole reason that it accounts for other lanes and Plat + but only a handful of people.

It doesnt measure every single Plat+ person in a region... it only measures a small percentage of plat+ players and thats what we call anecdotal evidence

For example, rank 1 is aurelion sol jungle with a 0.4% play rate.. Lets be honest can we actually dictate any information from that <.<

But i 100000% agree with you that its a ranged meta. I hate picking melee champs jungle because it honestly just shows that you are just a liability after 15 minutes where you just instantly blow up without doing damage..

Top lane for example Gnar shits on every melee champ no question. Gangplank too

You uh, you don't seem to know what anecdotal evidence is.

adidas1 votes

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You uh, you don't seem to know what anecdotal evidence is.

Its evidence that could have been cherry picked. You'll notice on the side that champion gg says ''1140 reviewed'' which means they've only taken 1140 games with said champion and not the full amount...

So yeah close enough

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Its evidence that could have been cherry picked. You'll notice on the side that champion gg says ''1140 reviewed'' which means they've only taken 1140 games with said champion and not the full amount...

So yeah close enough

A small sample size is not the same thing as anecdotal evidence lol.

Anecdotal evidence would be me saying Tryndamere needs to be nerfed because I lost lane to him as Malphite.

adidas1 votes

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A small sample size is not the same thing as anecdotal evidence lol.

Anecdotal evidence would be me saying Tryndamere needs to be nerfed because I lost lane to him as Malphite.

A small sample size that could have been cherry picked is anecdotal evidence. I said the data from champion.gg could have been cherry picked as in it somehow managed to collect more positive or more negative results only.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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A small sample size that could have been cherry picked is anecdotal evidence. I said the data from champion.gg could have been cherry picked as in it somehow managed to collect more positive or more negative results only.

So do you know what an "anecdote" is? Honest question.

Because if the evidence was not conveyed through an anecdote, guess what dude? It's not anecdotal evidence. It's just numbers. Even if the sample was cherry picked it isn't anecdotal evidence.

adidas1 votes

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So do you know what an "anecdote" is? Honest question.

Because if the evidence was not conveyed through an anecdote, guess what dude? It's not anecdotal evidence. It's just numbers. Even if the sample was cherry picked it isn't anecdotal evidence.

Anecdote is pretty much a story or an experience someone went through

Only Play Darius2 votes

Melee's simply aren't good right now, especially non-tank melees.

DraygenBiscuit1 votes

Yasuo shoots a projectile tornado and jarvan has his spear drop and gap closer. Sion has crazy moves and even fights after death. So its not really that surprising. In all honesty almost all champs now have at least one ranged move in their kit. If they don't then they don't see much play time, like Udyr.

fluxanna1 votes

LOL that's a good point.

Well I guess it's riot's meta, the early game meta. It's still early game-focused. Not as much as 6.6 era, but still quite a bit.

InhaleMyGayWhale1 votes

Better nerf Rek'Sai RekSai

Axe2Handle1 votes

That Aurelion Sol jungle with a whopping .4% pickrate lolz

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