Jungle as a role needs major adjustments

FaytalityHD··4 votes·1,637 views

The amount of gold and xp you get from farming is too high, much too high actually. Its often hard to prevent them from farming as they obviously dont have a lane opponent to deal with. The enemy jungler can try to disrupt their farming by taking camps but this isnt always possible depending on your champ and the way the game is going whereas in lane the better player can usually directly deny a lot of farm and even xp. What this leads to is that champs like Kha Zix Lee Sin and especially Graves are always fed and hard to deal with despite their way of generating gold being very safe and easy to execute. I played and abused the role myself for quite some time but got tired of it as carrying games was too easy and I felt like I was playing a stupidly broken and easy to play role ( applies to solo q not competitive play) . Now that I primarily play lane and find myself being on the receiving end a lot of the times I realized just how stupid the jungle role is, I would be 3 0 in mid good farm, actually having to try hard to get to that point where the enemy graves was just farming for the entire game while getting about as much gold and xp. If he or any jungler also picks up some kills which is likely he will pull ahead of even the most fed laners in xp usually 2-3 levels and also gold. We all know that solo q games are almost always won by the jungle role just significantly reduce the xp the camps yield as has been suggested many times in the past and nerf Graves directly. The champ is too easy and powerful both in solo and competitive play.

22 Comments

Åeolus7 votes

Why do you have a poll up if both of the possible answers are no?

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Why do you have a poll up if both of the possible answers are no? So people cant vote yes

Åeolus4 votes

Can't other people have differing opinions than yours? Why are you trying to supress criticism? If you thought you were right and weren't going to listen to anyone else I don't see why you made this post in the first place.

Agravain6 votes

Another "I think this way and so should everyone else wah wah wah" thread.

Mizuki Zahra5 votes

nice poll 'agree with me or uninstall cause I don't like your opinion'

Alex h87214 votes

Lmao, thats why if top or mid are catching the majority of their minion waves they're usually 1 maybe 2 levels above the junglers right?

Lol, jungle is admittedly a game influencing role b/c you can effect any of the lanes (positively or negatively) for your team, but if its so overtuned why don't you start playing jungle and get your "free elo"? haha

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Lmao, thats why if top or mid are catching the majority of their minion waves they're usually 1 maybe 2 levels above the junglers right?

Lol, jungle is admittedly a game influencing role b/c you can effect any of the lanes (positively or negatively) for your team, but if its so overtuned why don't you start playing jungle and get your "free elo"? haha

did just that on different account 66% winrate high diamond playing nothing but jungle... boring and broken af. Everyone knows advancing the solo q ladder is 10 times easier when playing jungle.

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did just that on different account 66% winrate high diamond playing nothing but jungle... boring and broken af

Yeah I'd like to see some proof of that, cause you aren't getting a 66% winrate high diamond unless you are a challenger with decent LP, or its a small sample size of under 30 games.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Yeah I'd like to see some proof of that, cause you aren't getting a 66% winrate high diamond unless you are a challenger with decent LP, or its a small sample size of under 30 games.

jungle only account ... https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lnfliction Champions like Khazix and Graves whom Id play know are too strong. Its stupidly boring though. See its ridiculous normally youd expect 66% winrate players at this range to be challenger players even though they really just abused op jungle picks.

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did just that on different account 66% winrate high diamond playing nothing but jungle... boring and broken af. Everyone knows advancing the solo q ladder is 10 times easier when playing jungle.

That looks pretty fishy to me, While I see some similarities between that and your current account, your current account last season had a lower khazix win rate, and was also an entire league lower at P2 instead of D2, So it is very very likely you abused a specific patch in which jungle was op as opposed to the entire season, it just wouldnt make sense for the same season same champs to have 5% lower winrate in an entire league difference. Not to mention both account's havent even placed this season, there is definitely something off about this entire situation, You could just be a higher elo player trolling or you could be a booster. Or abusing a specific power patch but it isn't a normal situation.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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That looks pretty fishy to me, While I see some similarities between that and your current account, your current account last season had a lower khazix win rate, and was also an entire league lower at P2 instead of D2, So it is very very likely you abused a specific patch in which jungle was op as opposed to the entire season, it just wouldnt make sense for the same season same champs to have 5% lower winrate in an entire league difference. Not to mention both account's havent even placed this season, there is definitely something off about this entire situation, You could just be a higher elo player trolling or you could be a booster. Or abusing a specific power patch but it isn't a normal situation.

this account here decayed after getting banned, kha zix wasnt even considered broken throughout any of season 6 or picked up in lcs. It really is the power of the role and its unranked now because I have only recently returned to the game. I can get smashed by golds in lane but carry games as jungler in near masters range, thats just stupid imo and definitely proving that somethings wrong with the role.

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this account here decayed after getting banned, kha zix wasnt even considered broken throughout any of season 6 or picked up in lcs. It really is the power of the role and its unranked now because I have only recently returned to the game. I can get smashed by golds in lane but carry games as jungler in near masters range, thats just stupid imo and definitely proving that somethings wrong with the role.

I think there is a lot lot lot more things to look at than just that, for one you have significantly more games on kha than any other champion. That means to understand him at a much much higher tier than other champions even if you don't notice it yourself. most OTP's have very high winrates for example last season I also had a 67% winrate in D2 as ekko jungle I eventually took a long break and then when i came back i dropped all the way to plat 5 but thats beside the point, Especially if it was in the beginning of the season that you climbed, because it means you have a 66% winrate from placements to diamond 2, not in diamond 2 and there is a huge difference in that. if i recall correctly my winrate was 67% when i was around 120-150 ish games played on ekko, I placed gold 2 i believe and probably was gettnig around 23 lp per game, so if we do some math here lets assume until plat 3 plus I won 80% of games, that means 6 games per division plus series, it was a total of 5 divison's to plat 3, so 5 series a total of 12 games shouldve been played in series, and 6 per division, so thats 42 games getting to plat 3, then from plat 3 to diamond 2 is where it drops to roughly 66%, so that means im winning 2 games losing 1 Do you see where I'm going with this? The stats are inflated due to climbing from placements, that math isnt perfect its a guesstimate but it gets the point across, the 66% winrate is inflated due to the probable 75-100 games played to get to diamond 2.

In otherwords or TLDR, 66% winrate is not your winrate in diamond 2, it is your winrate climbing to diamond 2. There is a massive difference in that, and also being a OTP naturally means your winrate on that champion is going to be higher. There is also mid / top OTPs who have 60+% winrates.

BluePolarizer3 votes

Jungle gives much less EXP and gold this sesason than any previous season.

In season 5 and 6 I could be full HP level 6 on Hecarim within 6 minutes. I can't do that this season.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Jungle gives much less EXP and gold this sesason than any previous season.

In season 5 and 6 I could be full HP level 6 on Hecarim within 6 minutes. I can't do that this season.

Graves Graves Graves level 18 10 minutes in

CannabisOverlord2 votes

You just throw out illogical remarks for attention it seems

Grymmstrike1 votes

Post a replay of that, because judging by your match history from last season, no. Hell, half the time you are 3rd or 4th on your team for gold earned.

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wait, you are saying the jungler doesn't have a lane opponent but good teams ward the jungle and invade on any lane thats slightly ahead, if you are 3-0 in the mid lane as stated previously you should be abusing the HELL out of the enemy jungler, ward his raptors and take them on command, if he starts them kill him on command. like ????????

FaytalityHD1 votes

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wait, you are saying the jungler doesn't have a lane opponent but good teams ward the jungle and invade on any lane thats slightly ahead, if you are 3-0 in the mid lane as stated previously you should be abusing the HELL out of the enemy jungler, ward his raptors and take them on command, if he starts them kill him on command. like ????????

problem is 0 0 0 Graves with item 1412 is probably as strong as me

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problem is 0 0 0 Graves with item 1412 is probably as strong as me

No he isn't if you were 3-0 in the mid lane with good cs, chances are you are 1 and a half levels on him atleasts, aand top of that have like 1000 more gold, not to mention graves should be banned every game without hesitation, on TOP OF THAT, If you do what i say and let him start the camp he officially wasted his Q and most likely E which then means you go in with a temporary 2 ability advantage. Like jungle is only OP vs bad players simple as that.

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No he isn't if you were 3-0 in the mid lane with good cs, chances are you are 1 and a half levels on him atleasts, aand top of that have like 1000 more gold, not to mention graves should be banned every game without hesitation, on TOP OF THAT, If you do what i say and let him start the camp he officially wasted his Q and most likely E which then means you go in with a temporary 2 ability advantage. Like jungle is only OP vs bad players simple as that.

is why most of the top solo q players are junglers. I tested it myself when I got to diamond 2 (was season end though probably would have gotten higher but I didnt so Ill leave it at that..)on jungle only account although I normally belong in diamond 5 elo which is much worse. By picking the right champ and knowing what to do ( unlike lane can get away with having terrible mechanics like me) you can win the entire map in solo q.

Woodakoodashooda1 votes

Jungle is the role that receives more checks and balances than any other role in game if for no other reason than the fact there's not much Riot can do to the lanes to change things up now and again.

Early on, experience gained from the jungle this season was too high. Riot quickly addressed the issue and reduced the experience gained from camps so as to prevent level 3 jg ganking a level 2 enemy with a level 2 ally.

Jungle, as it stands, is balanced more so than certain instances in the past including one in which monsters proved far too oppressive for most champions to dare attempt jungling at all.

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