Three Reasons 10 Bans is very important to me

Mira Arya Enthe··183 votes·5,911 views

I see a lot of people saying 10 bans is a bad idea because "more people's picks will get banned". Let me go over some reasons why 10 bans is very important.


1: There are too many champions now. Back when we originally had 6 bans there were 40 champions in LoL. That means you could ban out 15% of the total champion selections. Leaving the remaining 85% to be played. This was good because if there was a current top 10% of champions who were broken you could ban them all out. But now there are 136(may have miscounted if you want to recheck recheck). That means you can ban out 4.4% of the total champions as a collective two teams. It gets even worse if you account for your team only having 3 bans. 4.4% is puny, that means if there is a top 10% of broken champions you cannot even ban out half of them, nevermind a surplus. With 10 bans we could effectively as two teams ban out 7.3% of the total champions. Still doesn't compare to that original 15% but it is a lot more of the patch broken fotm champions knocked out of the picture. This broadens diversity. Instead of just playing what is definitely OP or safe this patch people will be forced to make more thoughtful picks.

Even as a one trick myself, this seems far more important than the risk of my main champion getting banned.


2: Everyone gets a say. No more begging your third pick to ban Darius because you are top lane first pick and your entire champion pool gets bullied out of lane by Darius. Now you can do it yourself. Moreover, no more being that third pick and wanting to ban Graves but feeling pushed into banning Darius because player 1 and player 2 want you to. Sure, some people will still ask for bans, but the cases where they can say "We didn't ban x that is why we lost" will get massively reduced as they had their own chance to ban x. Likewise the times you felt you lost because nobody on your team banned Lee because they were busy banning Aatrox, will vanish as you are now assured to get your own ban.

You are never forced into your hard counter, assured to lose, not fun, not winnable lane matchup just because you were unlucky enough to be first or second pick.

Even as a one trick myself, this seems far more important than the risk of my main champion getting banned.


3: It forces Riot to fix certain champions. There is more than balance to consider in LoL. Right now for example Yasuo is 'weak' in terms of win-rate and numbers. But he is frustrating to fight. While I myself have no hatred or problems with Yasuo the community as a whole prefers him ban, his winrate and playrate mean nothing. He is just annoying to fight. Not Teemo annoying, but feels like a completely unfair design to a lot of people annoying. By having 10 bans more champions will be perma-ban/near permaban. If those champions are never showing up in normal games or LCS games because they are always ban, Riot is forced to reconsider if their design or numbers need to change. There can be no 'Lee Sin favoritism'(which I don't fully believe in anyway) for example, if he is permanently benched. Therefore if Riot wants to see him played they have to look at his design and numbers to convince players he isn't worth their ban. In my case, Master Yi will never be unbanned until he receives changes.

Even as a one trick myself, this seems far more important than the risk of my main champion getting banned.


Now before somebody says "You play Shyvana, nobody is going to ban her anyway!" rarely yes, it doesn't mean she will never be meta again like late S5 and early S6. Also that says nothing for my Sejauni(just reworked), Riven(popular ban), Ashe(broken when meta) and Soraka(a lot of people hate her when she is viable) who will experience banning. I still view 10 bans as more important than the risk of my primary pick getting banned.

These are the big reasons I want 10 bans in the game. What are your reasons for wanting them?

155 Comments

Paquay90 votes

Not gonna lie. I thought the body of this thread would look more like: Yasuo LeeSin Fizz

Lucky Moniker22 votes

That's exactly what I expected and was pleasntly surprised by a thoughtful, well written post.

Divewing17 votes

the funny thing is, those 3 are part of a core reason of why it is important, at least from the point of view of the majority of the playerbase, to actually have enough bans to ban both the OP FOTM stuff, and the 'frustrating stuff'

Hyrum Graff3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lucky Moniker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQgk6Ef2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-05-05T21:28:27.782+0000)

That's exactly what I expected and was pleasntly surprised by a thoughtful, well written post.

Check the username. She generally makes very high quality posts.

Oelyk6 votes

Mira always writes thoughtful posts, always worth reading.

ChemicalBuster2 votes

Expected that on the meme boards

A Doorknob15 votes

Good stuff. I agree. At the rate the game is evolving, we should've had them by now. At this point I'd be happy if Riot just stopped trying to re-invent the game and sat down and seriously took the necessary time to balance out the game properly, especially for their precious e-sport comrades.

Catastrop13 votes

I can't wait to see what champions start seeing play and what champions disappear off the face of the earth. For me personally, Orianna will never touch my games again.

zeskgames13 votes

"There can be no 'Lee Sin favoritism'(which I don't fully believe in anyway) for example, if he is permanently benched."

Riot's Response: We are proud to see that our ten bans system is working as intended but we could make it better. As such, due to his low play rate, we are making Lee Sin the first champion who CAN'T be banned in any way shape or form in champ select. See you on the Rift!

(This is a joke obviously:)

Atanchan2 votes

Nah, clearly banning Lee causes the enemy team to gain an AI-controlled six member that plays Lee Sin and begins the game at level 18 with a full build, so that it won't need to take up an income position. That's pretty fair - after all, we are talking about a champion with a 0% pick rate and a 0% win rate, after all.

LoomberFoot11 votes

Everyone is worried about 10 bans but in reality it's only really 4 more bans. Not all that much.

IA9hRfpP5q10 votes

Yasuo

Ralanr7 votes

I am interested to see how the meta changes with the ten ban system. I'll certainly be seeing a lot less of Yasuo done here.

GULAG 4 U6 votes

I want 10 bans because I get to ban badmatchups for me. Seriously people. Ranked is about winning. Banning things you hate doesn't do shit. you need to ban things you don't know how to play against. Example, I play aatrox top. I'd ban fiora or pantheon. Not because they are the most busted shits, but because they shit on my aatrox top pretty hard.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Well they also are busted shits. Have you not seen Pantheon and Fiora's stats recently?

GULAG 4 U2 votes

They are. I've seen them. Considered making a thread about addressing them, but didn't know what to fix. And since I don't want to be a circlejerking little shit, I refrained myself from posting.

TBH, I'd ban lee sin over them though, because he appears more often and I'd cockblock more people with the lee ban than Fio/panth. Plus in silver, they probably can't play the champs anyways.

salty testi6 votes

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Wolfe KuPo2 votes

I play Ahri and Fizz , not enough to actually be annoyed if they get banned (they are arguably my least played in my champion pool) but when I want to play Fizz I get sad since I legitimately find him fun to play and he does get abused quite easy but is just super prone to snowballing out of control which is why I believe he is a constant ban in lower ELOs more then him being hard to play against

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

fiora is the number one played toplaner. how is she not popular.

Troll for Trump5 votes

It benefits everyone that doesn't onetrick basically

Tormentula4 votes

I don't think one tricks have to worry much.

Them simply hovering the champion should encourage their team not to ban their champ (-5) and if the champion is that much of a meta pick, there's a good chance the enemy will hover (-5) or not find the champion broken enough.

Also if the new ban system is anything like LCS's, you could get the priority pick before the other 4 even get a ban.

Electro5223 votes

Our ban system will not follow the LCS. Their's is special due to them being able to know who their opponent is, and what they play. Ours, will just be a straight ten bans at the start.

OHminus11 votes

I'm a Vi onetrick atm and even I'm for it.

Sure, Vi will see bans every once in a while (I'm sure of it). But I would rather give up 10 percent of my Vi games for a chance to surefire ban Xayah Rakan Ivern

Troll for Trump1 votes

It will hurt more when Vi's meta again.

If the champ you onetrick is remotely even hated, it'll be banned, and you can't onetrick said champ. Basically, you can't play ranked.

Glîtchy2 votes

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It will hurt more when Vi's meta again.

If the champ you onetrick is remotely even hated, it'll be banned, and you can't onetrick said champ. Basically, you can't play ranked.

Too bad for the Lee Sin, Riven, Yasuo, Yi and Katarina one tricks, but I'm happy I wouldn't have to deal with such bitchy choices

aqours fanboy5 votes

Can assure with 10 bans there will be champions banned that aren't broken per-say but because of people are afraid/don't want to deal with certain champs they'll never see the light of day.

Lauchmelder6 votes

That just shows that those champions might not be broken but unfun to play against.

Yes. I am looking at you, Yasuo.

aqours fanboy3 votes

But bans should take out champions that have shown proof that every part of their game is obnoxious, not champs that you don't want to deal with because of the possibility you'll get styled on before and/or after level 6.

J Epstein5 votes

A ban per player is only fair. too many times, i banned a certain champ several times in a row, just to get several dodges in a row. Eventually i am within the top two selections and dont get to ban. I pick my champ and get counterpicked by said champ i was trying to ban all along.

It's very frustrating.

RacoonHunter5 votes

Here's also another reason.. YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT IN PRO PLAY ALREADY! [slayer-jinx-catface]

Volphi1 votes

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KoggyStyle3 votes

so, high elo entitled to it but low elo is not?

Seems legit.

Malicious Metal5 votes

Good thing nobody bans Mordekaiser.

the weeaboo4 votes

My three reasons are: Fizz Katarina LeeSin

Oelyk2 votes

TFW you face a kat one trick in silver.

Yordle Xayah4 votes

Yeah I also have 3 reasons...

Caitlyn Ezreal Lucian

CØulrophobia4 votes

I will ban Lee and Yasuo. I am sick of seeing them in ranked, normals, flex, tt etc.

Apocalypsic3 votes

I'm gonna KMS is Riven becomes perma ban :(

I like her low ban rate!

Dream High5 votes

She's not too commonly played/banned in my experience. It's when people mess up and show their intent on picking her.

An Enemy Sutando3 votes

Well, I guess it's time to find a new main. 99% sure Zed will be banned in at least 60% of games.

Veltox6 votes

I consider him really fair compared to the likes of Fizz Rengar Khazix .

An Enemy Sutando5 votes

He is. He can't oneshot you like most other assassins unless he's really ahead, and he rewards good play while punishing bad play.

Shame that everyone is on a personal vendetta against assassins, guess mages aren't allowed to have weaknesses.

Mannny3 votes

Some champions will never see the light of day.

Friendly Ram2 votes

I'm gonna love getting vayne to at least 80% ban rate in my games.

Lugg2 votes

Reason number 3 is the most important one by far.

Riot will be forced to fix their cancer champions now. Even the mains on those champs will beg for nerfs/reworks so they can actually play them again.

Big Lincoln2 votes

im gonna reserve my bans for when my team hovers xayah

thank u based riot if you give me 10 bans

Darkdemon6532 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQgk6Ef2,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-05T17:50:01.323+0000) Back when we originally had 6 bans

We originally had 4 bans. Go away.

Serika Zero2 votes

Why 10 bans are important to me: I don't want Lee Sin in my games. And if rito doesn't gut him, I need to take matters in my own hands. Flipping 45% pick ratio >.>

TheBoninsegna1 votes

i mean, if u only play 1 champ at a time and only know how to play 1 role, u cant complain about ur main getting banned because u kinda brought this on yourself.. and i'd like to say that people crying because their allie banned their champ is pointless, bc i dont have the obligation to not ban ur champ, and that champ may be available to enemies

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Your first point I agree with. One tricking is a trade-off, amazing on one champ but if they are banned or picked subpar on your off picks(though not as bad as people imply). I disagree with your second point, it is pretty asinine to cripple your team because you want make choices for others.

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