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Fizz Nerf Suggestion

Shuyin178··1 votes·518 views

To start off, a large portion of the community agrees Fizz is one of, if not the, most unhealthy champions in the game to fight against. I took some time to think about how to nerf Fizz without killing Fizz so Riot might actually try it, and came up with a very simple but effective thing.

The Change : Replace the untargetable function on Playful/Trickster with full CC immunity (someone else also suggested giving a little damage reduction during the CC immunity also which honestly I'd be fine with some as long as it's not a lot, he'd still be taking damage).

Why change just that? Well for starters it doesn't make sense how he becomes untargetable for standing on a stick, just kick it over and laugh as he falls on his face. Anyways back to topic, by replacing his untargetable state with full CC immunity, it creates counterplay against Fizz and removes one of the single most annoying and toxic inducing things in the game. When you're fighting a Fizz right now, he is 1 auto attack from the weakest AA champion in the game away from dying, jumps onto his stick, prevents you from being able to damage him, lands on your face, then Urchin Strikes through you killing you because you couldn't touch him while on his stick. Does this remove a lot of his outplay potential? Sure, Fizz right now can dodge Karthus' Ult (again don't know how because all he is doing is standing on a stick), Zed's ult, and even tower shots when he dives. By removing his untargetable state he can no longer dodge things like that. At the same time he won't lose any mobility or damage because he will still have full CC immunity just like he technically does during Playful/Trickster already, it will just make it so Fizz has to actually play smart when he goes to dive/solo champions because he loses the ability to just dodge every possible thing in the game. This in turn will also raise the skill cap for Fizz just a little bit due to forcing you to play smart instead of jumping in, killing, jumping out with little to no penalty (aka dying to a tower shot).

This is just a thought of something that could be done to Fizz to make him more fair to play against and less safe to play as making his interactions more interesting and healthy for the game. To reiterate the change, this replaces his untargetable state giving him full CC immunity instead. It is not lowering his damage or his mobility in the slightest due to being CC immune still.

11 Comments

FACE THE WlND3 votes

Where are your statistics coming from? Did you do a survey or are you making assumptions?

Shuyin1781 votes

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Where are your statistics coming from? Did you do a survey or are you making assumptions?

You clearly have never fought against or played as a Fizz.

FACE THE WlND2 votes

You're quite ignorant. I'm asking where u got the fact that "way more than half of the community agrees Fizz is one of, if not the, most unhealthy champions in the game to play against". That's it. I did not disagree with you. I used to main fizz on an alt account from season 3 through all his changes, I guarantee I know more than you about fizz.

Shuyin1781 votes

[{quoted}](name=FACE THE WlND,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LMnhzFjF,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-20T19:01:37.191+0000)

You're quite ignorant. I'm asking where u got the fact that "way more than half of the community agrees Fizz is one of, if not the, most unhealthy champions in the game to play against". That's it.

If you've played the game long enough you'd not need a board that gives exact numbers. It's common knowledge made into a fact on what I said is true. There is not 1 person that mains mid lane that enjoys playing against a Fizz (or even Zed for that matter, but this topic isn't about him). If you want flat numbered statistics then go look for them yourself, if you find them then you'll see I was right with my words.

FACE THE WlND3 votes

For one, what does playing the game have to do with boards, and two you're basing your argument off of a false assumption, you come off like a child, and your responses show me that you won't listen to anything anyone tells you, so there's no point in me trying to reason with you. Good luck in getting fizz nerfed! You say fizz has no counterplay, yet he does. All of fizz's abilities are avoidable, his ult and dot can be qss'd and he has a weak early game, and tends to go oom quickly during lane phase.

Shuyin1781 votes

[{quoted}](name=FACE THE WlND,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LMnhzFjF,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-20T19:09:26.792+0000)

For one, what does playing the game have to do with boards, and two you're basing your argument off of a false assumption, you come off like a child, and your responses show me that you won't listen to anything anyone tells you, so there's no point in me trying to reason with you. Good luck in getting fizz nerfed!

Here is the thing, calling someone a child when you're not focusing on the topic of the thread negates any of your complaining. You're focusing on a phrasing that isn't about the topic instead of what it is about.

Fisherman Fízz1 votes

I couldn't have said any better +1

Fondling Gems1 votes

I like the direction. Might want to give 30/40/50/60/70% damage reduction on it. So he can still use it vs little to no cc champs but at least you are doing something just giving him cc immunity is a bit too strong of a nerf

Shuyin1781 votes

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I like the direction. Might want to give 30/40/50/60/70% damage reduction on it. So he can still use it vs little to no cc champs but at least you are doing something just giving him cc immunity is a bit too strong of a nerf

A little bit of damage reduction I could be fine with tbh, at least he would be taking damage of some sort instead of dodging everything.

archerno11 votes

"Way more than half of community"? U have spoken to 30+ milion players? Just because there are some whiny threads about nerfing Fizz ocasionally , doesnt mean its half of community.

Shuyin1781 votes

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"Way more than half of community"? U have spoken to 30+ milion players? Just because there are some whiny threads about nerfing Fizz ocasionally , doesnt mean its half of community.

You and face are taking things to literal with wordings. Focus on the main part of the thread, aka the topic.

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