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rtbf76109271··26 votes·1,741 views

Vayne is ridiculous. qt does 1242 damage in one tumble at 34 minutes, from invisibility. There is literally nothing you can do against this, qt ults, then flashes in. You cannot stop vayne from getting that tumble off

Meanwhile all ap assassin mains Leblanc Fizz have to wait 2 full seconds AFTER marking someone to finish a rotation of spells. Meanwhile Malzahar 's damage was "downright_ confusing_" so now my voidlings get wiped from one aoe spell and I can't build them up against minions

What's downright confusing is how choosing a certain champion can put the entire game on a 35:00 timer. Where after that. literally no matter how badly a vayne player does in lane, you probably lose. Maybe 40:00 if they had no gold but still.

This patch feelsbadman for AP assassin players, who watch people play rengar, khazix and vayne who BLOW people up in less than 1.25 seconds while having a minimum of 2.5 seconds on your own assassinations (often with less total damage than before too Akali Fizz since fizz ult no longer has +20% damage and unless it is max range it does less damage too)

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Pale Pirate4 votes

By the way, after the Leblanc changes I still feel very mixed. Maybe what sucks the most is that you don't even know if your all-in is going to kill the enemy. You just expose yourself to a lot of danger and you still don't get too much out of it. You could say that you get harass off, but her ultimate's cooldown is higher now. Other pain issues: Can't mimic ultimate if ultimate is on cooldown, counter-intuitive best items, still don't have enough time to play around your own low-duration clone, smaller dynamic for dangerous jobs.

Anyone else who agrees?

rtbf761092714 votes

I found she feels terrible. Was mastery 6 on her and have barely played her since the rework. I also feel like they added a small timer to how fast you can snap back on your w, but maybe I'm crazy. It feels so clunky now

Pale Pirate2 votes

No, you ain't crazy, lol. They added a 0.25 seconds.

dragon1xx3 votes

You're crazy, but not that way.[slayer-jinx-wink]

Sraeg20131 votes

Yup, she has a Zed's ult-like cooldown on snapping back.

That basically means you die the moment you use Distortion in teamfights... Unless you use it to run away, that is.

Requiemsfire2 votes

Nah m8 those LCS players just need to get gud and stop being bronze ;)

(I'm just joking) ;~;

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Crit vayne with her items is just broken in so many ways and everyone already knows it :c

Head Connoisseur2 votes

I'm a Kha'Zix main and it kinda bothers me that people keep listing him as being a god tier op champ on this patch when the stats show he's actually in the most balanced state he's been in in a long time. Will he obliterate a squishy who is isolated? Yes, but he always would. Will he struggle if he's under-fed or you stand next to minions/ally champs? Absolutely.

He's got a fairly high pick rate up near 17%, but around a 40% ban rate even though he's only got a 50.04% win rate. I'm just confused on why everyone and their mother seems to think he's god tier right now.

rtbf761092713 votes

I think it has to do with how bad a lot of the ap assassins got after their reworks, so the only 1 shot junglers left are khazix and rengo. Also the new/changed AD items are really good item 3814 item 3147, and armor pen now is better later in the game

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

Good Draven should be able to destroy her, but there arent many good Draven players. I love playing Veigar support vs Vayne. It's always a free win. This one is from today http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1571138161/206126317?tab=overview

Secret Butt Fun2 votes

And no one mentions Shaco and his transition from being an AD champion to an AP one.

Let's not pretend AP Shaco is anything less than fun to play against.

PlanetWarwick1 votes

Step 1 Don't walk into every fucking box he places

dominusx1 votes

Let's not forget that she doesnt even need to dodge abilities that do not exceed 500dmg since she can lifesteal it back with 2 hits. Or her mobility or her gay stealth that cancels your autos/point click spells. yehh fun champ tons of mechanics.

SlashStriker1 votes

Well i guess that build ain't enough to stop Vayne from 1-shotting you item 3143 item 3047 item 3046

rtbf761092717 votes

I'm not sure if you're serious but I'm going to reply like you are lol

item 3046 wouldn't even trigger since you have to damage the vayne first, which you won't, she's invisible item 3047 would have left ashe with around 200 life instead of 100, which is still dead to 1 more auto so in effect does nothing item 3143 Alone would maybe have increased the number of autos after the tumble to kill, from 1 to 2. Maybe. Is one auto worth 2900 gold? Probably not, this is not a better option than GA.

SlashStriker1 votes

ye thats all cool but that build works against every other ADC except vayne

Putting GA here means you pretty much gave up on all protection and you are ready to die

MR from GA over health from Omen MR works great against Vayne for sure

rtbf761092712 votes

Literally zero high level adcs are building item 3143 item 3047 from pro level to youtubers. So I have no idea what you're talking about and how those items could possibly be good on any adc.

Regardless, ADC's are not supposed to have a bunch of protection from items, the whole point is to build damage and have your team protect you. Against vayne after 30:00 that's impossible since there is no counterplay to her ult and burst. You are just playing 4v5 against vayne from that point on since she is near guaranteed to kill your mid or adc upon entering the fight for the first time, with her first tumble + auto. Only then do you have vision briefly and can try to lock her down.

This I think is the main problem with vayne due to stealth and her tumble changes

CookyPrince1 votes

Maybe not the armor boots but I've seen Randuin's on adc against like full ad teams, and I watch alot of pro players. Even saw a vod of valkrin as zed saying how bad lethality was if they build just one armor item and mentioned how the caitlyn built randuins and remember seeing qt build one awhile back. Not saying you should build randuins as adc often. We all know vayne is disgusting and I'm absolutely surprised she's been allowed to stay this way for so long

Buff Jhin1 votes

Don't say Fizz is bad when he's not you can't dodge any of his spells if you're ulted, you're just dead.

rtbf761092711 votes

He usually cannot land a max range ult against a player with summoners or a dash in their kit. If he lands a medium or low range ult, it does less damage than before. But not only that, his ult (at all ranges) lost the +20% damage from his other sources. The w active pop does not make up for this. It barely does more then a couple smacks from his old w, plus it dealt additional magic damage over the whole w duration too, which is now gone.

Overall he does less damage than before.

Additionally, fresh blood and other new/better masteries means he gets bullied in lane even worse

He is pointless to play now over ekko or katarina, who both do more damage with similar mobility but have better ranged farming in lane

Buff Jhin1 votes

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He usually cannot land a max range ult against a player with summoners or a dash in their kit. If he lands a medium or low range ult, it does less damage than before. But not only that, his ult (at all ranges) lost the +20% damage from his other sources. The w active pop does not make up for this. It barely does more then a couple smacks from his old w, plus it dealt additional magic damage over the whole w duration too, which is now gone.

Overall he does less damage than before.

Additionally, fresh blood and other new/better masteries means he gets bullied in lane even worse

He is pointless to play now over ekko or katarina, who both do more damage with similar mobility but have better ranged farming in lane

He was horrible in lane. You couldn't use any of your spells to farm because if you did, half your mana would be gone. It's much easier for him to farm, not saying that that should be reverted. I just don't understand why I'm being deleted at level 8 when I even have my heal. Literally couldn't get a single auto before I died

rtbf761092711 votes

You cant farm with your w even with the reset and mana refund, since when you walk up to farm you will get poked. If you do not use your e to dodge, you take a ton of damage. So you just end up using e to dodge something, then farm with it when you land anyways. No ranged mage in mid lets you walk up and execute half the wave with w resets, even under tower

If you are taking a max range ult you deserve to die. If you are taking a low/mid range ult, and he pops w on you, you're still taking less damage total than old fizz since they removed the +20% damage from his ult

PlanetWarwick1 votes

Idk maybe u could 5man bot to stop vayne Also this is lcs level play and most adcs won't cs near as well as he can, or make those decisions

Requiemsfire1 votes

?? Is that your suggestion for crushing Vayne Botlane? Btw It's master tier play with ex-LCS players.

PlanetWarwick1 votes

not really jungle gankes bot mid roams top tps just get on discord

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