Something needs to force laners to adapt to jungle changes

PhearBunny·Jan 27, 2020·3 votes·3,352 views

your jungler doesnt carry you anymore. He's level 4 when youre level 7. You need to help him, like the enemy team helps their jungler, so that he doesnt fall behind and is actually capable of helping.

Any ideas floating around in the ether, on how we can force sub-Diamond laners to learn macroplay, jungle pathing, and how to be useful to their jungler in general? Cuz they are being stubborn, and all the way into high plat/low diamond these people just auto-plioting their lane phase and expecting the jungler to carry them somehow.

11 Comments

Jng AccountJan 27, 20207 votes

He's level 4 when youre level 7.

Then he either fucked up gank or his path, not my problem.

I'll do my best to help you if I have prio, but I won't be losing cannon wave bcs you desperately need that enemy raptors...

ButterwoodJan 27, 20203 votes

I main jung/support, and the "he's level 4 when you're level 7" threw me too. A level / 1.5 levels behind solo laners makes sense, especially early, but I generally have my ult by the time I'm ganking a lane that has hit 7 already.

HighwiseeneJan 27, 20204 votes

Something needs to force junglers to look at laner's lanes more consistently. If I have a 3 wave slow pushed wave under my tower, you can be sure as shit i'm not going to help my jungler contest gromp against a shaco. He can concede and start on another camp if he can't 1v1 the shaco.

Elite4RunnerJan 27, 20202 votes

That is true, .. it's definitely an issue on both ends making the right decision at the right time. However, I have seen way more situations where the laner could leave a lane that is slow pushing to them, or a lane that is pushing out with two enemy minions left, to help their jungler contest, but they just sit there or push to try and get plates. And I get it, it's much easier to say, "I'm winning lane," when that is all you have to focus on, .. but junglers are supposed to keep a balance of pressure across the map, .. Farm their jungle, deny the enemy jungler, control objectives, AND help all 3 lanes. If they can't do all of that, they get flamed.

And again, invading when nearby lanes don't have priority is a problem on the jungler's side as well. I have made that mistake many times. I specifically recall doing it just yesterday, it happens. This is still a team game, and we're supposed to help each other win.

2gudaiyaJan 27, 20204 votes

jungler wants my help but never helps me when i want his help. you will now learn to do it alone, like i had to.

Elite4RunnerJan 27, 20201 votes

Then I hope you're good at winning your lane on your own.

2gudaiyaJan 27, 20205 votes

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Then I hope you're good at winning your lane on your own.

already learned that shit, allied junglers only come to my lanes to feed.

Elite4RunnerJan 27, 20201 votes

You make it sound intentional, .. I couldn't imagine anyone doing something like that, given your cheery disposition.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

PhearBunnyJan 27, 20203 votes

If your jungler is getting pressured by the enemy mid laner, and his mid laner doesnt react to it....He's gonna be level 4 vs lvl 7 solo lanes. If both teams laners are inept and just auto-piloting lane phase, its gonna be lvl 5 vs lvl 7.

RagnaveilJan 27, 20203 votes

Thats a mid problem. Best role in the game but some people in that lane are too dumb to move their asses.

Elite4RunnerJan 27, 20201 votes

Sadly, I think the only way for people to learn to help their jungler is for them to play as a jungler, .. and I don't mean to be auto-filled, because people just get pissed and blame the fact that they're doing poorly on how little they know the role. You need to see how hard it is to make the correct call, and how punishing it is when you make the wrong one to understand what it is like for a jungler to fall behind right now.