1000 total gold cost, +10 AD
800 total gold cost, +15 AD
We are paying a lot for a conditional passive with no increase on the AD of the item, sometimes I want to build this item ( ) early but it costs a lot.
PD: to make it clear, I'm not saying "add damage to 
", that item is damn ok as it is.
Calabok28 votesthen add + 10 AP to armguard
Cherysse14 votesI think it would be better if they made it easier to stack and increased the stack cap a bit.
Vistha Kai12 votesI think, it would be better, if they removed stacking altogether and give it flat 40 armor instead.
SiG DxD1 votesand nerf its armor by 50
Eclipse13379 votesI was hoping you'd say 
Cherysse2 votesOP GG!
Eedat8 votes does NOT need a buff. Sure, its situational, but in those situations its already insanely strong
Cherysse8 votesUh? did you actually read? I'm saying that the one that needs the +5 AD is not ... lol, Executioner is fine...
O.o
Mandang021 votesWas your post supposed to be clear? All I saw was "add +5 AD to" and then a blank, followed by two items and two statlines.
Not saying your argument is bad, but don't ask "did you actually read?" if you didn't take the time to write it out in the first place.
Photos of Ghosts5 votesThat looked like a list. Edit your post.
DænariusKhølerin6 votesOk, so you are trying to compare Executioner's and Giant Slayer. That wasn't really clear. But yeah, I think Giant Slayer needs a little gold cost decrease.
Cherysse3 votesIndeed, I think that adding the +5 would be ok, decreasing the gold cost would be fine too.
Elikain2 votesI think you're forgetting the effect of the Giant Slayer. The item itself is only 35% gold efficient without the passive and when using it against an enemy with 500 more HP than you, it becomes fully gold efficient.
So that means you're buying it to deal with early HP stacking targets - it's situational. It's not something you'd rush in any given situation as a Pickaxe is more worth against squishy targets.
Give Me Money1 votesI think that is the point of the damage differences. has the potential to do more damage than .
If you're going the route, shouldn't you be building 
first? 30% a-pen is sounds better then a "conditional" 1-10% physical damage. Even if you can only afford the 
, it'd still be a better build path.
SwiftKitten886 votes
has a lower total stat than its base compoments.
Cherysse3 votesstacks a lot of stacks and damage potential real quick
Kingnewgameplus8 votesI get that your supposed to stack the item but where the hell does the attack speed go after you buy it?
GaleWinUnleashed4 votesInto the stacks. Buying Rageblade is a decision to opt into a drawn-out fighting style, staying in fights long enough to stack up your damage and THEN shred everything. It's not supposed to be good if you get ambushed while wandering through the jungle; most of its power is locked behind the ramping power of the stacking mechanic.
Kingnewgameplus8 votesI understand that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but no other item in the game loses stats upon purchase.
GaleWinUnleashed3 votesPretty sure that's correct. But it's nice to have one item out there that gives offensive power without increasing burst damage even more.
FantasySniper2 votes-> "Increasing burst damage even more" -> Attack Speed is a stat that doesn't influence burst even the slightest.
iamthegoatofwar1 votes"attack speed is a stat that doesn't influence burst even the slightest"
"you wut mate?"
Sidestep2 votesTo be fair, that is called high dps not burst. :p
dapositiveviking3 votesjhin
FantasySniper1 votesWell, ok, but he's an exception. No other champion directly scales damage instead of DPS or CDR from attack speed.
dapositiveviking1 votesyou're exactly right, thanks for tolerating my smart-alec response
ChaoticPinecone1 votesExcept when AS does increase burst or the speed at which you can burst.
Maiziea1 votes
use to for a while but was changed not too long ago.
I don't see the issue since passive is still part of the item and you should be looking at the fully stacked item's stats not the no stacks stats, in my opinion.
morris15 votesThe passive is almost always accessible. Literally everyone will have more health than an ADC since 500 HP is such a little difference 
etc. etc.
blfUvZ8Ybu3 votesNo because adcs are op.You give early power again.
Arakadia5 votesIs that all you say? "ADC's are OP your wrong."
BloodyTompon1 votesNope. Sometimes I see 'Salty Azir hater' too.
Lugg2 votesBoth items are perfectly fine as is. The passive alone makes them gold efficient. You would have to increase the cost if you buffed them at all.
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesI think it's good the way it is. Those items SHOULD be conditional, honestly.
Adding raw power to items to try to balance them is the thing that leads to balance nightmares. You see Riot say it all the time. Basically, "X item does what we wanted, but it's so efficient that everyone buys it all the time." If you make either one of those too good, the adcs will just pick one up second and sit on it for awhile. Every game. That really isn't what you want for balance and health.
Calabok1 votesIf you ask to make your item of your choice stronger, then the opposing side requires it too
Cherysse2 votesIs not like I'm asking to become stronger. But yes, Armguard is a lot weaker than Hexdrinker.
Critmaster Garen1 votesthe passive is not even as conditional as executioners passive. more champions tend to build or get more health than an adc, than there are champions who rely on regeneration and heals as part of their core gameplay. its only a 500 health difference needed to max out the bonus, and you get a lot more than +5 ad out of it.
at 250 health difference (which is 1 
with their higher base hp on most champions) and 100 ad, you already get your +5 damage on auto attacks and 5% more damage on spells.
Cherysse1 votes = 150 HP not 250
Critmaster Garen1 votes
i said 150 hp + higher base hp on most champions is already 250 for + 5% damage.
lofi n chillhop1 votesgiant slayer is super strong. I usually build it first before last whisper, unless there's like a rammus or something.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesAs if they didn't get enough bonus damage in the past few months.
Davarril1 votesThink about this.
What in the actual fuck of a difference is 5 AD going to make.
Cherysse1 votesEarly game? Life or Death
Summonerrr 11 votesI just want my Sword of the Divine back.
