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Lifesteal is the only stat who remains unchanged in every season.

taleofsonata··1 votes·829 views

I don't know why no1 complains about it... Am I the only one who thinks Lifesteal is unfair? I understand that you want to regen HP after a fight but outdueling someone because you had higher amount of Lifesteal? Healing 25 hp per auto attack sounds fair right? But the moment you get Crit items, you'll heal about 50 hp instead. Then you IE and now you are healing 75 hp. Does AOE lifesteal gets reduced? No because a Yasuo Tornado will heal you for about 900 hp. Full Build Yasuo,

How does a duel work out vs a champion with no Lifesteal? One champion can facetank you while you'll do absolutely no damage because all the damage dealt has been recover with lifesteal.

Riot I have a question, why do we need Lifesteal in the game, or to be precise why is it soo strong? There's is soo much in the game that synergize with lifesteal, Warlord bloodlust, 8% masteries increase healing or shield, crit, item 3031 ,item 3812 ,item 3072 ,item 3085 ,item 3153 ,item 3074 .

Why is Spellvamp not acceptable but Lifesteal is?

I just hate it when I throw a Q with ziggs and hit an ADC, he then proceed to lifesteal the damage. There is no point in poking a champion if the damage is gonna be regenerated. That is why Artillery champion aren't popular.

19 Comments

TheHappyLad5 votes

"Does AOE lifesteal gets reduced? No because a Yasuo Tornado will heal you for about 900 hp. Full Build Yasuo,"

That's not how lifesteal works.

taleofsonata1 votes

Yasuo can lifesteal with his tornado, lets say his tornado does 300 damage, with a 10% lifesteal, every single hit is 10% of the damage.

GaleWinUnleashed4 votes

No it's not. It applies on-hit effects (including lifesteal) to only the first target hit. Yasuo's Q has never functioned differently than that.

TehNACHO4 votes

Then you IE and now you are healing 75 hp.

62.5*, still sounds abysmally low though.

Does AOE lifesteal gets reduced? No because a Yasuo Tornado will heal you for about 900 hp. Full Build Yasuo,

Secondary Auto Attack effects should only proc on the first target hit.

One champion can facetank you while you'll do absolutely no damage because all the damage dealt has been recover with lifesteal.

Quite the inaccurate exaggeration don't you think? Sell me a product all you want, but don't lie about it.

Why is Spellvamp not acceptable but Lifesteal is?

Because massive regen over time covers Burst Champions' weaknesses, but shares the same weaknesses as DPS champions. Since most Magic Dealers are Bursty and most Auto Attackers are DPS, Spellvamp was a design crutch where as DPS perfectly plays by the rules on a mathematical sense.

I just hate it when I throw a Q with ziggs and hit an ADC, he then proceed to lifesteal the damage. There is no point in poking a champion if the damage is gonna be regenerated. That is why Artillery champion aren't popular.

Or, drop a full combo on their head and maybe even kill them?

As with the previous point, Lifesteal still has the same weakness as other DPS traits. Just hit them hard enough in an instant and they have no opportunity to heal or strike back, as is the case with most every other Burst based Mage and Assassin having to deal with a DPS Carry. To turn your argument back on itself, there is no point in staggering your damage over time against a champion designed around damage over time.

taleofsonata1 votes

There was a post before showing a Twitch outdueling Illaoi can you please explain that? He was talking about a twitch standing while illaoi ERWQW. The illaoit died because the Twitch was outlifestealing her. That post got about 50 upvote. Just because I found the real cultprit behind the problem which is Lifesteal doesn't mean I'm wrong.

TehNACHO1 votes

You know, common internet courtesy is to actually provide the link. Until then, all I'd accept your post as is possibly made up hearsay. Not that the situation didn't even not make sense. Remember the "weaknesses of Burst Based champions and DPS champions" I mentioned? Twitch steps on Illaoi's mathematical weaknesses rather hard.

Also:

Just because I found the real cultprit behind the problem which is Lifesteal doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Are you getting enough oxygen with your head that far up your ass?

High Noon Yåsuo2 votes

I really don't understand people saying lifesteal is unfair.. Without lifesteal, what will a jinx do vs a malph with 400 armor and a thornmail? Tickle his rock nuts till she kills herself? Lifesteal is such a huuge factor to Champs like Yasuo/Aatrox (regardless of whether its LS from items or simply from the wardlords mastery). Without lifesteal there is Nothing those champs can do to actually survive an extended teamfight. Plus there are an ABUNDANCE of mechanics to negate lifesteal; Katarina Ult/Ignite/Morellos/Lord Dominiks etc. Assasins which are currently slipping into the meta very frequently SHOULD be able to burst champions with lifesteal before they even get the chance to DPS heal back up. Ofc if the ADC or whoever is fed as shit then it will be hard to kill them, but there is definately outplay potential with all the abilities and items riot gives you to negate healing. Saying lifesteal is broken because it lowers your ability to damage a target in a 1v1 is like saying armor is busted because you deal less damage to a target.. its simply not true. Also, spell vamp was changed because ADC's rely on consistently DPS'ing targets, so if they are left untouched then ofc they will be able to sustain a lot of their hp back. However assasins like Akali would be able to 2 shot you and heal up to 60% hp in a matter of a second or so. Which simply wasn't fair. It adds a layer of depth to killing adc's before they can reliably sustain... I think there is nothing wrong with lifesteal. -anirataK Only

taleofsonata1 votes

I don't think, that healing 300 health per auto while having a very easy mechanics of just rightclicking someone?

High Noon Yåsuo2 votes

Well there you're wrong, if it was just as easy as "rightclicking someone" then you just instantly get bursted and killed. The idea of lifesteal on ADC's is that they need to CONSISTENTLY DEAL DAMAGE. If you just misposition in the teamfight to lifesteal you can and will get focused and die. If you play calmly and position safely to auto from a safe position then you should and will be rewarded by lifestealing.. There is nothing wrong with punishing people for mispositioning and rewarding them for positioning properly. -anirataK Only

taleofsonata1 votes

There comes the support who's job is specifically to protec the ADC. A Zed ulti ADC? Easy just PRess R with janna, he still comes back? Press E and then Q. People are jumping on the ADC? Nami TIDAL WAVES SLOW everyone and knock everyone up. Leblanc WR, Blitz press R and she is silenced and will then die in 1 sec. Rengar ulti the ADC, Thresh Q.

If you watch LCS, you'll notice how much peel an ADC gets. On top of the fact having ridiculous sustain.

taleofsonata1 votes

40% healing reduction is not STRONG, with the amount of healing amplification such as warlord bloodlust, spirit visage, masteries death dance.

High Noon Yåsuo1 votes

It is strong enough for its purpose. For you to apply those effects you need to actually reach the carries and deal damage to them, this implies you ( as an assasin/tank/fighter) are in a position to burst them; thus negating their ability to consistently deal damage and heal. So 40% isnt much, but it is enough to allow you to focus them and kill them down, again, rewarding good positioning from adc's and punishing bad positioning. -anirataK Only

taleofsonata1 votes

Assassin are suppose to kill the ADC don't compare a role specifically created to kill the ADC. Compare a role such as poke mages. An assassin who's whole combo doesn't kill the ADC will 100% die. IF Zed Ulti an ADC and was able to do his full combo, but the ADC lives with 10% hp, healing 20% hp per AA ? What the fuck you want the zed to do? Being oh he got outplay by fucking right click?

High Noon Yåsuo2 votes

It isn't a poke mage's job to kill the ADC in the hyper late game anyways. If an asssassin like Zed really can't kill an ADC after his full combo (highly unlikely; unless team peels for the adc, in which case he deserves to survive) Then that's the nature of the late game! Its up to the adc's to position well and provide consistent damage. Poke mages aren't supposed to be able to blow up an ADC in the later stages of the game. I've provided my arguement, if you disagree that's your problem. Surely your opinion outweighs the opinions of the other people who have downvoted you and posted. I'm done here. Have a good day.

-anirataK Only

taleofsonata1 votes

A Poke Mage is mage who helps sieging a specific objective. You want to take a Tower, you play ziggs and your job is force someone to recall back to base, if they stay under tower they are punished with an Ult.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

No, your job is to constantly push minions to the tower so that it eventually goes down, I.E., a siege

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

{quoted}

An assassin who's whole combo doesn't kill the ADC will 100% die.

And he will deserve to die because assassins were made to kill squishies.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Yas tornado healing for 900 HP? What the hell are you smoking and where can I get some?

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