Delete duskblade

Irelia Bot·Aug 18, 2018·175 votes·20,959 views

Duskblade should have never been added to the game. The fact that it is in the game means that an entire classes of champs is having to be balanced purely around it. If you are an AD assassin you NEED to build duskblade. It is just like how if you were an AP assassin (or burst mage which is a fancy way of saying immobile assassin who press R) you NEEDED to build DFG.

Delete this item for the same reason that DFG was deleted.

Also granting anti vision to a class which is suppose to be contended with by having good vision was a dumb idea. Who thought of that anyway?

I remember watching games where it was spot the Leblanc before the Leblanc kills the marksmen. Those games were fun to watch. Now if Rengar, talon or Kha has this item spotting their general area is about all you can hope for.

109 Comments

ShaydroxAug 18, 201827 votes

nonono

Duskblade deletes you! :^)

MonstermushmushAug 19, 20182 votes

Delete Duskblade?

nonono!

In Soviet Russia, Duskblade delete you!

adtrlAug 19, 20182 votes

Lol.

FutureCreatorAug 20, 20181 votes

Not only in Soviet Russia, unfortunately.

Magi MayvinAug 18, 201823 votes

Don't forget about stormrazor

GrReaper96Aug 18, 20182 votes

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Don't forget about stormrazor

TBH i dont find it such a bad item, it just that when they get both does the problem arises

RainXBladeAug 19, 20184 votes

Stormrazor isn't necessarily a huge problem since its numbers are easy to tweak around.

QmegaSquadVeigarAug 18, 201815 votes

AP assassin

and mages that have burst.

Irelia BotAug 18, 201813 votes

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and mages that have burst.

Did an edit for you.

JanakinAug 18, 20188 votes

Reduce the amount of charged attacks in general ... item 3094 item 3095 item 3147 dark harvest, ...

IPOeFTQWz6Aug 18, 20185 votes

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Irelia BotAug 18, 201855 votes

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Or an Irelia main since season 2 who has seen a lot of things and doesn't believe in double standards while also thinking damage is too high in the game?

MarothennanAug 18, 201839 votes

Why would anyone want duskblade to stay? Checks op.gg MonkeyKing Ah I see

I honestly don't know how you can call him out for "babyraging" when you hurried so much to type this reply that you couldn't even see that his name is irelia bot

Smart GirlAug 18, 20183 votes

yup

LTK KoRoAug 18, 20185 votes

Okay, let's say Riot deletes Duskblade. What kind of compensation buffs would you like to be given to assassins? Since they would lose like, 20% of their current damage, they should get at least part of it back somewhere else.

Irelia BotAug 18, 201812 votes

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Okay, let's say Riot deletes Duskblade. What kind of compensation buffs would you like to be given to assassins? Since they would lose like, 20% of their current damage, they should get at least part of it back somewhere else.

Buffs would be given as needed. As to specific buffs I am not going to go to far into that as Wukong would likely get no buffs, Quinn might need a minor rework, Zed might just need some minor damage increase and Talon might be fine as is.

LTK KoRoAug 18, 20183 votes

Im pretty sure they all would fall into sub 48% winrates, but if you intended to give them buffs after that it's fine.

Irelia BotAug 18, 20188 votes

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Im pretty sure they all would fall into sub 48% winrates, but if you intended to give them buffs after that it's fine.

I'm not so sure that talon in his current state would go below 50%. He usually is able to get his first kill fairly easily before even reaching 6. Duskblade just makes it even easier to keep getting kills.

HungryAngry2SPPAug 18, 20182 votes

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Buffs would be given as needed. As to specific buffs I am not going to go to far into that as Wukong would likely get no buffs, Quinn might need a minor rework, Zed might just need some minor damage increase and Talon might be fine as is.

What about Twitch Garen Riven Darius Teemo Evelynn Vayne ?!11!1! They need compensation buffs as well!!!11!!

CeliorapAug 19, 20181 votes

Most assassins deal tons of damage before they even get their hands on Duskblade. Doubt they really need buffs. If anything they should rework Duskblade to keep the lethality for assassins which they need desperately

LTK KoRoAug 20, 20181 votes

Only Talon lvl 2 have any good kill threat without duskblade, no one else really. And no, being poked by two Zeds weq and then killed doesn't count as a good kill threat

KairoptraAug 18, 20185 votes

IMO, deletion should be the last option; not the first.

The Spicy CritAug 18, 201810 votes

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IMO, deletion should be the last option; not the first.

Honestly, the item is a reason of so many fuck ups. They have tried, tried and tried to balance it. They are still trying. It doesn't work. I remember when it used to grant a 1 second root and some crazy ass true damage back in 7.4 i think ? When ADCs abused lethality

DKM BismarckAug 18, 20189 votes

It didn't grant a root, Lethality was too easy to access so many ADs, whether assassins or ADCS, got so much Lethality that Duskblade became a temporary abuse case. Lethality is lower now, that iteration of Duskblade would be pretty good in the current gamestate, but Riot are completely adamant on keeping it a rush option alongside Youmuu because ????

The Spicy CritAug 18, 20185 votes

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It didn't grant a root, Lethality was too easy to access so many ADs, whether assassins or ADCS, got so much Lethality that Duskblade became a temporary abuse case. Lethality is lower now, that iteration of Duskblade would be pretty good in the current gamestate, but Riot are completely adamant on keeping it a rush option alongside Youmuu because ????

It didnt grant a real root. It granted a 99% slow for 1 second, that's basically a root fam

VoraciousXAug 18, 20182 votes

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It didnt grant a real root. It granted a 99% slow for 1 second, that's basically a root fam

It does that now(well 0.25 seconds now). It's original iteration was basically a Zed ultimate. When you dealt damage, it would trigger, and 2 seconds later it would deal damage based on your missing health. Duskblade really isn't the problem, outside of maybe it's vision denial(because I feel like if AD assasins should get that, AP ones should as well, AP assassins are so much less catered to and it makes me sad. We don't even have a real rush item since they gave Ludens to mages, outside of the ones who use mana, and they just use Ludens like everyone else. I miss movement speed+100-120 AP Ludens ;-;). The real problem is assasins proccing Electrocute while being nowhere near the enemy they're trying to burst, then deciding whether to go in or not depending on how much health they have left after that for the ignite. Electrocute needs to put the user in adequate risk for it's reward. It's an assassin rune dammit.

In addition to that...

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Buffs would be given as needed. As to specific buffs I am not going to go to far into that as Wukong would likely get no buffs, Quinn might need a minor rework, Zed might just need some minor damage increase and Talon might be fine as is.

We don't need to be giving AD assassins in-kit buffs. If they're gonna do anything with duskblade it needs another rework. AD assassins have enough in-kit damage.

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Didn't DFG have an active that amplified all your damage for a short time? Duskblade is not even remotely as strong.

Oh and let's not forget that mages got Luden's Echo after DFG was removed, which also gives bonus damage similar to Duskblade.

All things considered, Duskblade shouldn't be an issue at all.

You are cherry picking and ignoring context as always.

You could demand that Luden's gets deleted using the same arguments. You might even demand that we delete sheen because Irelia for example is strictly balanced around that item with the bonus damage and it gives her A LOT of burst, more burst than any AD assassin gets from duskblade. But i guess you didn't consider that because you play Irelia yourself.

Maybe try to be a bit more reasonable.

Yep, that's right. MAGES got Luden's Echo, taken right from AP assassins. Makes me wanna cry. It was such a good item on Kat when it had more AP, move speed, and a bigger passive proc, with no mana.

HungryAngry2SPPAug 18, 20182 votes

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It didnt grant a real root. It granted a 99% slow for 1 second, that's basically a root fam

So Nasus now has a hard CC, nice to know

Seer of MindAug 18, 20184 votes

you might as well call it a root with the amount of cdr you build

Purplemen101Aug 18, 201812 votes

The difference is that roots prevent mobility abilities from being used, unlike a 99% slow.

DKM BismarckAug 20, 20181 votes

No it didn't. When it did true damage, it didn't cc you at all. Guess you conveniently forgot that though. The slow was added when they reworked it into its current iteration. On top of this, it's only ever slowed for 0.25 seconds.

SithesisLordAug 18, 20188 votes

It got reworked like what, 3 times, and it's still a problematic item.

I think deletion is the best option at this point.

RaiNinjaAug 18, 20181 votes

Azir's been fixed a bunch of times, should he be deleted?

SithesisLordAug 18, 20186 votes

No, he's gonna get reworked.

But when reworks are done plenty of times and the problem still has not been fixed (Ryze and Duskblade), it might be best to simply remove parts or the whole of something.

Duskblade needs to go. I don´t know how Riot thought an AD DFG that also disables and allows one shotting of wards would be a good addition to the game.

RaiNinjaAug 23, 20181 votes

That is the funniest thing I have heard all day. AD DFG? You must be kidding cuz I wouldnt have laughed so hard. I wont even explain the difference cuz I will let riot do it for me.

DFG: Deals 15% of the target champion's maximum health in magic damage and increases all subsequent magic damage taken by the target by 20% for 4 seconds (750 range) (90 second cooldown).

Duskblade: UNIQUE – NIGHTSTALKER: After being unseen for at least 1 second, your next basic attack against an enemy champion deals 30 - 200 (based on level) bonus on-hit physical damage and Slow icon slows by 99% for 0.25 seconds. The enhanced attack lasts 5 seconds after being seen by an enemy champion.

How does 15% of the target champion's max hp is the same as flat 30-200 on hit damage.

SithesisLordAug 23, 20181 votes

How does 15% of the target champion's max hp is the same as flat 30-200 on hit damage.

How does 2.5 seconds of stasis equate to a revive?

Ok sure but whyAug 18, 20182 votes

Not bringing this item into the game should have been the first option, but here we are

aaaustindestroy1Aug 18, 20185 votes

I don't want it deleted, however it gives WAY too fucking much for it's price point. 2900 gold for:

55 AD 10% CDR 18 Lethality

Nightstalker - Extra damage plus a slow after being unseen (Provides extra vision because of how the mechanic works with wards) Blackout - Extra vision control

So, you get extra killing power, some extra killing power, a little bit of utility, and then 2 passives that provide EVEN MORE DAMAGE, and a ton of vision control if you use it to it's full potential.

2900 gold.

saltranAug 18, 20184 votes

Delete the Gameplay Boards

HungryAngry2SPPAug 18, 20186 votes

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Delete the Gameplay Boards

Gameplay +

saltranAug 18, 20183 votes

Fresh

DKM BismarckAug 18, 20184 votes

The iteration prior to this one, the one with the passive that scaled on lethality, that rounded out assassin core builds well and wasn't extremely oppressive, why did they ever change it to the abomination it is now?

datfatguyAug 19, 20183 votes

Duskblade will probably delete us first.

QuertiusMar 30, 20192 votes

totally agree

Duskblade is the cancer of this game and really not a fun item as an ADC to play against

Smart GirlAug 18, 20181 votes

OOh this is my favorite game! the "i cant play against a certain champion/item because i'm bad at the game so ill try and get items deleted and also complain about damage" alright let me start PLEASE DELETE -Luden's echo item 3285

Hourglass -stormrazor -B.F Sword hmmm what other items do i not like ooh!! -Dorans sheild -Amplafing Tome -Broken Stopwatch there's nothing wrong with these items i just don't like them same thing you're doing

3TWarriorAug 19, 20183 votes

hourglass: the AD counter that actually makes it easier for you to be killed by rooting you in place for 2 seconds stormrazor: only effective if you have been out of combat for an extended period, so no CS'ing and typically one use per fight BF sword: does this one make any sense? it's one of the few AD items more expensive than AP items and determines a lot of AD champ power spikes without being unhealthy

luden's echo is free damage, but at the same time, it requires landing an ability, does not provide MR penetration for ITSELF, its interaction with champions has been periodically changed so that it is more likely to only be used by mages, it is 300 gold more expensive than duskblade, and provides ZERO utility

saltranAug 19, 20182 votes