I don't care if Ivern's winrate is 51%, he is still underpowered and has way too many counters.

Weedbro·12/24/2017, 2:49:49 PM·7 votes·1,175 views

Other champions, like Soraka or Lulu, WHAM BAM BLAMMO, they got the Support Juice, they can save your ass with just their spells. So can Ivern, if he has 45% CDR or always lands his Q or Daisy has one of her rare clutch moments. Big, big, big difference there. Other Champions, like Kha'zix or Rengar or Master Yi, they either jump or ult and ghost, and then you are dead. your root does not save you. your shield does not save you. Daisy is not capable of attacking three times that quickly.

So, Ivern doesn't have the clutch support capacity to pull peoples asses out of the fire, unless the enemy team is shit at dodging skillshots. Ivern, no matter how well he does, can never just delete someone. the best he can do is smash a level 6-8 ADC via Daisy, who isn't some ridiculous bullshit like Tristana who can just peace the fuck out. That's pretty much the only solo kill he can pull off unless you run across a really stupid Evelyn-tier jungler who tries to counter jungle you and you have the red buff and you+brambleback+your red buff kill her. Problem is that every jungler is either Xin Zhao or Kha'zix or WW or Rengar or Shaco or Nocturne or Twitch or Jax.

It's not that Ivern is weak, it's that Ivern has so many champions that so easily counter him, shit, then there are champions that directly counter his ult, Nunu, Warwick, Tahm can literally just eat daisy and run away and then she teleports uselessly back to my side, Syndra can actually use my own fucking ult to hurt me by tossing daisy into my fucking face, Cho can eat her, Yasuo can dash onto her and then into me, I know i'm forgetting at least one or two more.

Ivern needs a buff, but not to his passive, he needs a buff against all the quite commonly played champions that are such heavy counters. It has to be done really delicately too, this buff, because Ivern used to be really dumb, and he was banned every match, that's why he's in the state he's in. It will probably even require a buff and a nerf that overall is a buff, but I think there is a way to buff Brushmaker.

Tank stats and two seconds of speed boost to Ivern-only, Brushmaker is area-based and Ivern has to kite virtually all champions, it really cannot be ranked up early game, and it has a limited 3 charges, so I think with all those restrictions, some decent-tank stats and MS boost in special, Ivern-created Brush only, for Ivern only, could be a solution. What i envision is setting up a line of escape bush so that you have about a second or two of survival so you can just barely squeak out under the turret if say, Kha'zix shows up.

Idon't even want to be able to then go back out and do my job, I just want to survive. It's sincerely unfair there are so many champions that are so consistently played that just crush Ivern. I don't want him to be Kha'zix. Just make him at least as good as Shyvana, damn, and i don't mean being able to win a duel with her, even. Just give Ivern the ability to do his thing, freeing the jungle, without getting annihiliated so many times. I understand that every champion is going to have their silver bullet, but Ivern has way too many.

8 Comments

PhearBunny12/24/2017, 3:01:51 PM4 votes

Is he really that bad? I invisioned him being a strong pick with the introduction of Ingenious Hunter

iLBGAMing12/24/2017, 2:51:34 PM3 votes

Make Ivern Tree-Man great again!

quasistellar12/24/2017, 6:19:54 PM1 votes

Ugh, if Ivern is a top tier jungler, then he's pretty cancer to play against. All the stuff he does is just incredibly unfun to play against.

Anags12/24/2017, 6:37:24 PM1 votes

He's fine right now. Even if you think he isn't. He's also a counter to Shyvanna so he is actually stronger than her lol.

xxxDogmanxxx12/30/2017, 10:05:24 AM1 votes

I personally hate playing against Ivern, but not because I think he's strong. I just hate trees in general. It's the same thing with Maokai.

DNFVixen12/30/2017, 10:21:04 AM1 votes

He needs a good adjustment so we see him more.