if it becomes a viable item it means the ADC's get forced to either:
the fact that it's a passive is what makes me think it shouldn't be allowed to be viable because there is no down time on it.
RocketRelm4 votesLifesteal doesn't 'make thornmail useless'. It equalizes the nature of thornmail. This is something I hear a lot from time to time, and I'm always kind of surprised by how this argument goes, simply because the life steal doesn't 'stop being a thing' without the thornmail. If they have Lifestel and you don't have thornmail, they've got 'reverse thornmail' to use against you and are soaking up that much HP. The max hp argument doesn't even work as well anymore because BT gives a 'life steal shield over max'.
It's not like "oh if i didn't have this thornmail, their Lifesteal would be useless!" is the case here.
Faryá3 votesIf an ADC doesnt build any LS, then they deserve to go against Thornmail.
OverpoweredSoap2 votesIf an ADC doesnt build any LS, then they deserve to go against Thornmail.
- get forced to rush a armor penetration item and lifesteal which then results in the thornmail being useless
Faryá3 votesIf the enemy is tanky and they dont build any armor pen, then my statement still stands.
Strawberrycocoa3 votesIf the ADC is silly enough to attack the thornmail wearing bruiser they deserve what they get.
Lugg2 votesWith lifesteal, items, and masteries, thornmail needs to be in the game. Jinx with a couple lifesteal items is harder to kill than Sion.
Mandang01 votesI've never understood why there are items that punish classes for doing their job. Just on a fundamental level, that seems so wrong.
As far as offering itemization to counter ADC, I think the crit reduction on randuins and autoattack reduction on Ninja Tabi are far healthier ways of doing it.
And to preempt all the "just don't attack the tank" - that's what ADC's job is. Heaven knows the mage isn't gonna kill the tank, and you're delusional if you think tanks can/should be ignored the entire game.
Critmaster Garen1 votesI've never understood why there are items that punish classes for doing their job. Just on a fundamental level, that seems so wrong.
As far as offering itemization to counter ADC, I think the crit reduction on randuins and autoattack reduction on Ninja Tabi are far healthier ways of doing it.
And to preempt all the "just don't attack the tank" - that's what ADC's job is. Heaven knows the mage isn't gonna kill the tank, and you're delusional if you think tanks can/should be ignored the entire game.
well, maybe then armor pen, qss and % hp shredding items shouldnt exist. because thats punishing tanks for doing their job.
Mandang01 votesThat's not really an apt comparison.
The analogue to your point would be if I had said armor or attack speed debuff or the damage reduction passives on Randuin's/Ninja Tabi's were punishing ADC for doing their job, but I actually said the opposite about the last of those.
Very Hard Engage1 votesmaybe ADCs should reconsider their full ham build and look to 
to kite indefinitely?
Saianna1 votesImo Thornmails viability should depend on ENEMY ADC power
Stellafreyja1 votesIt's still a great item if the enemy is stupid enough to go full AD. (Happened in Ascension...They couldn't do shit to me after like three items)
