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So this Sona and Taric strats, it ain't just about them right? there is another factor to it~

taleofsonata··5 votes·2,267 views

BRUISERS DAMAGE IS TOO DAMN HIGH,

That is the problem, the fact that you can go full supports bottom lane and still have the same amount of damage as a Team which include an ADC. All they did was to peel Irelia or any other bruiser and win fights.

I'm sure the problem is clearly bruisers deleting squishies with no counterplay, I was watching Jinx getting jump by Irelia and removed.

Sneaky tried this strats without a bruiser in his team, and everytime he does it the strats fails. But everytime there is a trinity force bruiser, like Jax or Irelia. It works fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycywJYZevAI Here in this team comp they have irelia,

in another instance, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTxChIOXm8Y Flyquest steals Irelia from them after seeing these 2 champions getting locked, so what did team Liquid do to retaliate?

Picks Olaf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaUkBCGh8Ew Here is another example, Conqueror Hecarim.

What are all of these have in commons? Conqueror abuses.

9 Comments

The thigh guy4 votes

Careful. Too much truth and the hashinshins will come and start crying that conquerer and steraks aren’t strong enough.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

It’s not the immobile bruisers that are the issue though, it’s the mobile ones that have high target access (Jax, Irelia, Hec) with a sprinkle of Olaf ignoring CC while gaining some serious MS.

Bruiser itemization has always been way stronger on mobile bruisers (divers) than immobile ones (juggernauts), especially Steraks which is all about burst negation which is a diver’s biggest issue.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

That's the whole point of the strat. After you get to the mid game when your Bruisers have their Trinity powerspikes you just run over the other team. The strat falls off super hard as the game goes on because you don't have an ADC on your team for super high DPS.

Death by Glamour2 votes

Well yes and no, too much bursty damage in general but triforce building divers in particular have both more consistant burst damage than a lot of assasins, are generally tankier than actual tanks while also having decent DPS.

OtterlyLost2 votes

Sounds about right. Taric as a support generally works better with melee engage champions since it's easier to line up his stun. Bruisers have been unabashedly strong for well over a season now after consistently whining, when their champs were fine, that they were weak and needed buffs.

Seriously, bruiser itemization is the absolute best in the game. No other class gets to build both damage and defense with out losing out. Why play a tank when many bruisers bring just as much CC and tankiness without the loss of damage? Why play an assassin when bruisers can bring as much damage but not blow up in an instant? Why play an ADCs when bruisers can DPS just as much with the added benefit of engage and bulk?

Seriously, Bruisers as an idea are flawed. Why should a class of champions get all of the pros of three different classes with none of the flaws?

Oleandervine1 votes

Sona has always prioritized her poke damage over anything else in her kit. Sure, she has a heal and a speed boost, but the majority of her usefulness comes from her poke and well placed power chords. To make an argument against her damage just because she's a support is to ignore this fact that's been a quite large part of her play style for years.

taleofsonata1 votes

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Sona has always prioritized her poke damage over anything else in her kit. Sure, she has a heal and a speed boost, but the majority of her usefulness comes from her poke and well placed power chords. To make an argument against her damage just because she's a support is to ignore this fact that's been a quite large part of her play style for years.

I don't think you read it right, its not the damage of Sona or Taric,

It's the fact that they support 1 champion which is the bruiser.

Their utilities combine with any tri force bruiser like Jax, Irelia, is really deadly.

There is nothing wrong in having more than one support on a team, but what's wrong is to have overloaded damages on Bruisers and the fact that they are super tanky too.

Oleandervine1 votes

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I don't think you read it right, its not the damage of Sona or Taric,

It's the fact that they support 1 champion which is the bruiser.

Their utilities combine with any tri force bruiser like Jax, Irelia, is really deadly.

Except that the OP was making a point that having 2 supports supporting a bruiser still equated to as much damage as an ADC - this obviously isn't the case, as there would be significantly more damage if there was an ADC AND Irelia/Jax present with one support. So he is trying to take a stab at Sona's damage by equating her, Taric, and Irelia's damage to that of an ADC, Taric, and Irelia's damage.

He is then going so far as to claim that because a champion who's designed to take out high priority targets, like the squishy, immobile ADCs, is somehow dealing too much damage. Jinx is SUPPOSED to die to being focused on. That's why ADCs are incredibly squishy. Jinx's MO is to murder things before they can get to her, because her escape plans are nonexistent. There actually is counterplay to Sona, Taric, and Irelia - Jinx just doesn't have any of those tools because that's not how she was deisgned.

Naalith1 votes

I just hope my boy Taric doesn't get slapped because of a degenerate strategy again.

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