Why do people complain about Zoe's damage but not Zed or Talons?

AMADEUSdotEXE·Aug 1, 2018·3 votes·1,320 views

Seems like half the popular balance posts lately have been on Zoe or Akali.

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16 Comments

Alex h8721Aug 2, 20184 votes

People complain about all 3 lol what do u mean.

AMADEUSdotEXEAug 2, 20181 votes

Dude I feel like I'm literally the only one saying anything about them, I've been complaining about this shit pre buffs (oor zeds first buff this season he was FINE.) Talon's damage hasn't even been buffed has it? It was just his Q range.

Alex h8721Aug 2, 20182 votes

Talon's damage was actually nerfed last patch, -40 damage on the 2nd part of w, yet he can still 1 combo anyone who doesn't build hp/armor if even or ahead (i love talon, but he's a bit strong rn)

z63XnLCMwXAug 1, 20183 votes

There's an anti zoe circlejerk on this board.

SentrıkAug 1, 20181 votes

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There's an anti zoe circlejerk on this board.

Honestly it's on every board. It's almost a universal hate for Zoe.

AnAggravatedPimpAug 1, 20182 votes

They do though...

Rins Thigh SocksAug 2, 20182 votes

Have you not been on boards since... idk, ever?

Zed is in top 3 most complained about champions of all time here.

Frosted TipsAug 1, 20181 votes

People complain about all of them Talon just got nerfed too like last patch don't get me wrong I'm not a huge fan of the nerf I don't believe it hit him the right way but zed and Talon get complained about for damage all the time. Zoe is just anti fun because of rng and low cooldowns.

AMADEUSdotEXEAug 2, 20181 votes

Talons Q has a 6 second cool down at rank 5, W 9 seconds and ult has a 60 second cool down without taking into account he runs CDR, and maybe ultimate hunter effectivly putting his ult is on about a 30 second cooldown and is very impactuful. Also he has THREE possible methods of escape (Q to jungle camp or minion, E, Ult) , and can legitimately punish higher ranged champions for poking, or having him within their auto attack range.)

Zoe Q has a 6.5 at max rank, W basically doesn't have a CD (it would be too confusing to use for newer players if sometimes summoner spells procced it) , E has a 14 second cooldown at max, and ulti has a 5 second CD. Not to mention her ult is less impactful, it's very difficult for her to punish melee champions who can stick to her and she can get outpoked easily by max range mages. Using her mobility to dodge skillshots is too risky because she has no escape. And all of her damage excluding W can be body blocked by minions and champions.

I understand that they are both different champions and Zoe is a hyrbid mage assassin. So no need to point it out.

Frosted TipsAug 2, 20181 votes

I think there maybe a misunderstanding I think Talon should be nerfed just the W base damage nerf was not the right nerf imo no impactful enough and impacting the wrong things, but Zoe needs an overhaul to her W imo and a nerf to her E.

IceAYonAug 2, 20181 votes

Instead, she uses her autoattack to attack with insane free movement speed whenever she use a summoner spell. How can you land a skillshot on her when she moves that fast? Don't worry, the champion who bodyblocked Zoe's Q will take 60% dmg without the need of the E. Her ult is impactful since it gives Zoe more range and more dmg. How can you stick to her when she is literally offscreen and you see this random E fly across your screen?

You at least can kill Talon when he drop someone dead unless you let him E over the wall without CCing him while Zoe lands Q on someone and Zoe is already gone or u never seen Zoe in the first place.

FOR JUSTICEAug 2, 20181 votes

Because in zoes case all people see is her using e then q to kill you while they ignore every single positioning mistake they made.

Joking aside though, its more the fact that because she dosent really have an ultimate, so more power is shifted to her basic abilities to compensate. Then her w is rng based, so its just a natural hate train.

AMADEUSdotEXEAug 2, 20183 votes

Okay so real talk, and i know you're going to smite or dismiss me for this but Hashinshin said something interesting regarding that. He basically said that alot of mages (especially new ones) basically play the same way. Ex. Syndra stun > blow your combo Veigar stun > blow your combo Swain root > blow your combo Zoe .... you get where I'm going with this.

The few that don't play exactly like this feel like a breath of fresh air. Cassiopeia is baically just an Ap marksman but there's alot of positioning required and you won't always be using your stun to rotate your combo. Azir same shit Ryze has alot of options aside from stun > combo Karthus is basically score-attack (hard mode) .

Yes they all have thier own uniqu playstyles but I thought he made an interesting point. All Veigar has to do is land his E and he can (probably if not definitely in time) one shot you. Alot of mages play like this. Zoe's kit might just be a little too forgiving in its current state. I was actually thinking that her e should 'Pop' dealing aoe damage if it misses at maximum range and briefly slow enemies or something. that way people don't feel too punished for dodging.

FOR JUSTICEAug 2, 20181 votes

No no, youre 100% correct here, just unlike the others zoe has RNG mixed into it, so she could very well lower your damage by 45%, or perhaps burn you for the next three or so seconds. Its that not knowing that pisses people off. (Granted it shows the summoner spell once she gets it, its just the pressure of that one caster/melee/cannon that sucks.)

Let alone that just the player being lucky a few times in lane can win them it.

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Okay so real talk, and i know you're going to smite or dismiss me for this but Hashinshin said

Also just as a little note its the boards dude, if you feel like you have a good arguement then by all means say it. Its what the boards are for. Let alone that most of the people read the post before agreeing/refuting it

AMADEUSdotEXEAug 2, 20181 votes

I mean that came basically from him, i was just quoting him. But alright haha yeah i get rng can be frustrating

SirsirAug 2, 20181 votes

People complain about her burst, I complain about the sudden redemption to a side laner at 10 minutes in when no one has it built yet. Her burst damage isn't really a problem for me, its kind of par for the course right now.

Can she still get TP from bubbles?