Is it me or have people forgotten supports have other roles?

LordTekron··4 votes·715 views

Let's be honest for a minute, how many times have you seen Braum start in top lane over being a support?

How many times have you seen a Nami or Janna mid instead of supporting?

I feel like while their intended role is meant to be a support, they have been forced into that position and don't get a choice about it. One of my recently favorite roles to do is playing Face Punch Thresh in the Top Lane because he an get the farm to become scary and can get souls easier since he doesn't have to worry about getting mauled by two people. Plus since he is ranged he doesn't have to worry about annoying melee top champs like Riven, however, and when the team fights start coming along, Thresh still offers the same stuff he did when he would be a support, he has his pull, shield, his knock, and his slow, just playing with a different set of items since he isn't supporting. And when you think about him personality wise, why would the spirit of a mad warden that stalks people to their breaking point then steals their soul be consider a support whatsoever?

I just feel like if champion can do other things besides being a supportive class, then they should be able to have the option to do it, otherwise why even bother giving them the chance anyhow?

This is gonna get downvoted to oblivion for expressing my opinion isn't it?

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Jamaree2 votes

Supports have a niche. Most traditional supports aren't good damage wise, they can gimp certain top tier top laners and mid laners sure, but then once end game comes around, they revert to secondary supports instead of actual threats. Sometimes having two supports works but other times when you have no damage to kill said opponent ADC, you are more burden then help.

Supports are this weird thing of being both "OP" and "UP" at the same time. They can survive with minimal farm and gold because of their utility which a LOT of champions can't do. Irelia, Riven, Renekton, without items and gold, they are pretty much shit. Supports don't have this problem in theory because of their utility. I honestly believe that supports shouldn't be able to do solo lane things because they already have shit tons of utility, why should they also get damage?

Done252 votes

Because people get mad when Soraka can go mid and sustain past the Mage's poke. Or Sona goes top and harasses the no gapcloser fighter to death. And I'm sure that everyone is still suppressing memories of the horror that was attack speed Lulu.

Morgana and Oriana are weird in that they're supports, yet you see them mid 90% of the time due to their wave clearing and anti mage shields. (Morgana ignores CC, Oriana gets free MR)

Skia Asteri1 votes

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Because people get mad when Soraka can go mid and sustain past the Mage's poke. Or Sona goes top and harasses the no gapcloser fighter to death. And I'm sure that everyone is still suppressing memories of the horror that was attack speed Lulu.

Morgana and Oriana are weird in that they're supports, yet you see them mid 90% of the time due to their wave clearing and anti mage shields. (Morgana ignores CC, Oriana gets free MR)

Morgana is a mid mage. People just decided she was better as a support. Because she is hard counted as a damage threat by merc treads. If they would just reduce her CC duration and retune her kit around the new duration she would be a great mid pick.

Done251 votes

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Morgana is a mid mage. People just decided she was better as a support. Because she is hard counted as a damage threat by merc treads. If they would just reduce her CC duration and retune her kit around the new duration she would be a great mid pick.

It used to be that she reduced enemy MR when they stood in her pool, but then Riot reworked that part out of the spell.

Centuros2 votes

Careful about playing supports in other lanes too much. It has gotten them nerfed before.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Soraka: Riot has warned those idiots playing me as mid lane, why won't those idiots listen....? item 3070 item 3070

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes
  1. Soraka was used many times as a mid laner due to the heavy lane sustain, but thanks to those persistent idiots, she got reworked to be pushed to support role. Bye bye mana-infuse ability...

  2. Thresh top lane? You should try:

  • Darius top lane first before you go ranting on Thresh's secondary lane. As such, both champs has no escaping mobility, Darius actually hurts more than Thresh does due to Hemorrage passive, & Thresh's ult has been going a giant nerf many patches ago, making his ult to damage only 1 enemy as a supportive role. Building tank Darius will still keep the high damage output for the first few minutes, but of course, never leave out Hydra when needed. Thresh isn't so dependable as a fighter style since, if you compare to all of his moves & abilities together, they are only suited to fight in only 1v1 battles.

  • Urgot top lane first due to the short AA range like Thresh has. Urgot's passive, as reducing the target's dealt damage by 15%, is what makes Urgot a lil tanky enough to block off most of his lane opponent's damage, but still, he gets rekt easily in many top lane composition. For Thresh, he is only a giant threat from his first AA, while his next subsequent AAs are as weak as Ashe .

  1. In the Worlds Championship, Zilean was banned about 90% of the time, most probably due to his potential as a mid laner instead of support, so there's one good point out of your thread here. Although, I never seen a Zilean mid laning before. Not sure if that's worth it even at low elo.

4)Nami Janna : Well, I don't really mind those two as a mid laner, as I can see there's a small potential in that. But still, both champs have surprisingly expensive ability costs at early game, one being Janna's Q starting at 90 mana and above. The rest of their kits are purely seen to be supportive moves, so that's for the creative low elo mid laners to figure out on how to use it.

LordTekron1 votes

This is gonna get downvoted to oblivion for expressing my opinion isn't it?

What do you know? I was correct!

PBnJelly2 votes

It's -1, that isn't even close to downvoted to oblivion.

LordTekron1 votes

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It's -1, that isn't even close to downvoted to oblivion.

It was far lower at the time of that comment

The MechE1 votes

It just depends man. The support has to be okay in other roles. Like, Soraka was horrible to play against in any role but support. And Janna/Sona were the way.

PBnJelly1 votes

Well look at some of the supports that have been popular in other roles recently.

Soraka Was a very anti-fun thing to play against because no matter what you did, she would just sustain it all back and build tanky-AP, making it very difficult to kill her. That combined with the armor and mr shred just made her an insane pick.

Lulu First going mid as an anti-assassin, then top and becoming a huge lane bully and just something generally annoying and impossible to deal with for nearly all toplaners to deal with.

Alistar In the toplane after his buffs, he could build a ton of crit items, go in and pop his ult, and deal massive damage while taking 70% reduced damage, which isn't something that should really happen.

All of these were nerfed, and that's simply because their kits make for an incredibly low-counterplay champion when they have more than just cc/sustain/shields etc. However, at the same time, Janna or Nami mid isn't very good because they have a very low damage output no matter how much AP you build. So the question would remain: why pick them in that role when they fulfill the same purpose in their intended role? if you pick a low-damage midlaner, then where is your team gonna get the extra damage from?

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