So why is Nautlius rivals with Fizz and Nami?

LordTekron·Dec 29, 2014·15 votes·5,688 views

Let's look at Nautlius story for a second, he was a sailor who was abandon by his crew as he was pulled into the ocean's depths by an unknown black ooze. and the next thing he knew, he woke up on the ocean depths, becoming one with the suit and began his search for the people who abandoned him. He also assisted in fighting against the shadow isles along side Gangplank and Miss Fourtune as the black mist attacked Bilgewater. But one thing was never mentioned was why he rivals are apparently Fizz and Nami. As far as I am aware of they haven't had any interactions as far as just the fact he was reborn in the Guardian Sea where Nami and Fizz were from... But that's about it really, anyone know/have ideas?

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SharjoDec 29, 201410 votes

My personal head cannon is that Nautilus and Nami have the same thoughts about each other; they both perceive the other as the worst thing in their life.

To Nautilus, Nami represents the darkness that took away everything from him. As a man driven by revenge Nami would be on his list of people to kill.
To Nami, Nautilus is the face of the darkness that will destroy everything she knows and loves. In the quest to find the moonstone and save her people, Nautilus is the thing that stands in her way.

In this headcannon of mine, the irony is that if they learned a bit about each other, they'd come to understand they're not that different from each other, and could potentially be friends.

That's head cannon though, but the same sentiments are the same; Nautilus probably doesn't like sea creatures all that much considering what the sea did to him, and Nami likely doesn't have anything good to say about the black sludgy oozy stuff that transformed Nautilus.

LordTekronDec 29, 20143 votes

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My personal head cannon is that Nautilus and Nami have the same thoughts about each other; they both perceive the other as the worst thing in their life.

To Nautilus, Nami represents the darkness that took away everything from him. As a man driven by revenge Nami would be on his list of people to kill.

To Nami, Nautilus is the face of the darkness that will destroy everything she knows and loves. In the quest to find the moonstone and save her people, Nautilus is the thing that stands in her way.

In this headcannon of mine, the irony is that if they learned a bit about each other, they'd come to understand they're not that different from each other, and could potentially be friends.

That's head cannon though, but the same sentiments are the same; Nautilus probably doesn't like sea creatures all that much considering what the sea did to him, and Nami likely doesn't have anything good to say about the black sludgy oozy stuff that transformed Nautilus.

That's interesting for the Nami vs Nautlius theory, but what about Fizz? Does the same sort of scenario apply or is it something else?

SharjoDec 29, 20146 votes

My thought was that Fizz would be the mediator for this relationship. Of the two he'd be the one who would be able to see the truth of things and would try to mend the rift, as well as a young, energetic fish body person could. While he'd probably distrust Nautilus at first he'd probably warm up to the big guy easily, and its possible he knows of the Marai, so he's more than familiar with Nami. It'd be up to him to try and show them that they can work out their issues and don't have to hate each other, he's got the heart for it at least, I mean down to his core he's a nice guy.

Imagine if you will a conversation between Nami and Fizz. Fizz asks about Nautilus, and she tells him he's a monster, but its Fizz who retorts and asks something like "Well have you ever talked to him?" or "Do you know what he's really like?" and would go to find out for himself. He'd be the guy asking the questions that get Nami and Nautilus thinking more about why they hate each other and whether or not its deserved, since they know so little about each other.

Again all head cannon bollocks, but hopefully it makes some semblance of sense!

SilvenDec 29, 20149 votes

Maybe Nautilus thinks one of them is responsible for whatever dragged him under? Since they are indeed all from the same sea, he could be assuming that it was one of them.

JamareeDec 29, 20141 votes

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Maybe Nautilus thinks one of them is responsible for whatever dragged him under? Since they are indeed all from the same sea, he could be assuming that it was one of them.

This is what I'm thinking. Paranoia reasons seem like the most likely thing.

RasCaelestisDec 30, 20142 votes

I don't see him thinking it was one of them that corrupted him, but he might see them as no better than whatever it was that did. They are creatures from the sea, and the corruption spread from the sea's depths.

Also, one -or both- of them might have information about the black ooze, but for some reason, is refusing to tell Nautilus about it. While he's probably just trying to figure out how to go back to the way he was, they might see him as an agent of the corruption. His in-game quotes make him seem like he doesn't want to be the way he is, but is definitely willing to do whatever it takes to get revenge and information. Fizz and Nami might be afraid of him or too intimidated by him to get close enough to see that he is just an innocent caught by the same thing that is responsible for the disappearance of Fizz's people and the threat to Nami's.

BudupopsDec 30, 20147 votes

well who doesnt like fizz

GreenLoreDec 29, 20146 votes

well naut was underwater for quite some time,so maybe he developed a grudge against the ocean in general and fizz and nami simply remind him of that time.

Alternatively what if he encountered their towns while he was underwater?

MahnigguhDec 29, 20145 votes

He is the boogie man of the sea...fizz and nami are like little children getting tucked into their water beds.

GunpointDec 29, 20144 votes

Because Nautilus is an angry person.

junglerboy16Dec 30, 20144 votes

Nautilus is rivals with them because he hates everything that comes from the ocean for the way the mysterious black thingy changed him. That is what I always assumed.

ƒæµDec 30, 20144 votes

Fizz ult ruined his ship and nami supported fizz.

LanayurianDec 31, 20141 votes

Fizz ult OP

ZerrousJan 2, 20154 votes

Because they remind him of the hunt.

But in all honesty, there's a bit about Naut we cant just assume outright. He and the dark entity that took him are one, and theres no telling how much, or how little of his humanity and ability to reason and think for himself remain, as opposed to if the darkness is consuming him, controlling him, or just influencing him. So lets settle for a middle ground. On Naut's human side, he sees sea creatures on land, fish out of water where they are not supposed to be. Whats more, he's become very stoic, capable of feeling only a deep silent steadfastness, or a great overwhelming anger. A person like this would not take kindly to a small, fast talking prankster, or a light-hearted pun cracking water bender. Now more importantly, is what the darkness thinks. It is hard to tell much, but if anything, it would see any and all capable of being friendly to Naut, and/or interested in finding ways of purifying him, as an enemy, and would push Naut's thoughts in such a direction.

Wînter FoxDec 30, 20143 votes

Nami turned him down when he asked her out and Fizz laughed at him.

ImpetualDec 31, 20143 votes

You assume that Riot's narrative department actually have some kinda plan. So far, they have shown no sign that they know what they are doing.

As far as I can tell, they're making crappy lore and leaving little tidbits behind that they can maybe come back to and figure out later.

VelivoloJan 2, 20152 votes

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You assume that Riot's narrative department actually have some kinda plan. So far, they have shown no sign that they know what they are doing.

As far as I can tell, they're making crappy lore and leaving little tidbits behind that they can maybe come back to and figure out later.

Uh, lol? This is old lore (probably really old, like release Naut old). They clearly didn't have a plan back then, and Riot's working to fix that. (Seriously, new lore has been great so far. Shurima? Harrowing? Excellent.)

The SoulforgedJan 10, 20152 votes

The black ooze is what is feared in the depths, so basically nami and fizz are scared of him since the ooze has corrupted him.

LeeDarkDec 29, 20141 votes

I can see that he would have an aversion to the other sea champions, since they represent the ocean that took him. I still think he should have been on a ship with either Gangplank or Miss Fortune, and should hate that person for leaving them behind. As it is, he seems very forgiving of the crew that left him to drown.

RasCaelestisDec 30, 20143 votes

Have you played as Nautilus? If not, just listen to his audio lines. He definitely hasn't forgotten them. He may not remember anything about his past, but the one thing he does know is that his crew abandoned him. He wants vengeance, but doesn't know the exact people that deserve it.

That's one of the many things that the retcon destroyed... Nautilus went to the Institute of War to ask for help tracking down information on those that left him to drown, in addition to finding out more about the substance that corrupted him in the first place. THAT is the only reason he's a champion and why he was in the League in the first place.

WaffinsDec 31, 20142 votes

"The tide ebbs"- , Nami ( Tide Caller) has an ability called ebb and flow. Nami x Nautilus confirmed.

KungFuJesus756Dec 30, 20141 votes

Wait if nautilus wants revenge why dosent he just make a deal with kalista and be done with it.Sry for bad english.

GreenLoreDec 30, 20143 votes

because kalista takes your soul as a payment and Nautilus most likely wants to do the revenge himself.

If Naut got into a situation where he is about to die,he might call kalista(if he even knows how to do it).

WyrmbladeDec 31, 20141 votes

Riot has a dartboard with random champs that happen to be in the area on it.

Grouchy PoroJan 5, 20151 votes

I kinda just see Nautilus as being flat out hateful and distrustful of anything from the ocean at this point. It's not a very good reason, just his paranoia.