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The hate on high skill cap champions is quite aggravating.

it be lìke that··3 votes·1,140 views

Yes Yasou annoys us all, but if you aren't diamond + chances are that Yasou is garbage af, same can be said about 99% of Rivens. I LOVE Riven, I have 60k mastery on her and i either feed or do well, im also only Silver 3. (first season ever)

It seems like there is just a war on high mobility champs. My question is, "y tho?"

Riven is one of the hardest champions to play correctly in this game? Along with Yasou. For every good yasou/riven i see there was about 10 horrific ones before them. If you are fighting BoxBox (flosd on twitch) I can see why you would hate Riven, her kit is entirely designed on outplaying.

Personally i find myself more annoyed with champions such as Annie probably the easiest champion there is, she has no skillshots and can truck adcs for 500 damage Qs at like 1-5/0 kda. Her ult is a guaranteed kill essentially its her only "skillshot" Fighting her as melee when she has ult is one of the scariest things there is.

(in lane) How to fight Yasou : dont stand in minion wave for easy dashes, auto attack his shield off, hit him with what you can wait for a jungle rotation since 90% of yasous are aggro mongoloids who over extend. How to fight riven: one of the easiest champions to counter pick imo and guess what? the 3 biggest ones just got buffs. other than that, bait out her e, if she doesnt run, cc and kill. (can still q spam to get away with a w but you should surely win the trade if you pressure her hard enough she doesnt feel safe staying in)

How to fight annie : fucking hide from the insane damage as soon as she buys a single component, farm best you can under turret avoiding her w she is using to clear and watch out for the infinity damage on her Q which she can cast over minions and avoid taking a turret auto on and pray your jungler doesnt run in and explode to tibbers.

btw you don't balance champions for the highest level of play in your game. Balancing champions around less than 1% of the player base is just absurd. Naturally some tweaks need to happen if a champion is performing too well in tournaments. (nidalee) but that shouldn't be the norm.

There should be the typical bans for every elo that vary massively as you move up. That's what balance is.

15 Comments

Mandang05 votes

It's frustrating when people think skill cap is what matters instead of skill floor.

Also, can we please stop using "outplaying" to describe this? Unless your opponent has comparable tools or trades some of it for considerably higher damage, you're not outplaying anything so much as you're outclassing it. No one's saying Karthus is outplaying champs with more mobility or control than he has, yet he's more deserving of the term than the Riven/Yasuo/Ekko who just spams repositioning spells while not sacrificing damage or CC for them...

it be lìke that1 votes

riven is middle tier damage wise, to do anything better than that requires extreme know how.

Now that is insanely ignorant, you are comparing movements that if not done perfectly will not only ruin your damage (riven fast q) and can get you killed with ease, to karthus simply pressing his "r" with zero follow up.

It is getting outplayed when they juke your attacks, and win the trade. It is the very definition, of being outplayed.

You also have a ton of Vlad top games played before his nerf, come on man, don't be a hypocrite.

Tilthankaldar2 votes

if you are silver you shouldnt be talking about higher elo because there are good yasuo and rivens that are gold+.

Also when yasuo has a skill that completely nullifys half the roster for some seconds thats pretty fuckin toxic and doesnt require ''skill'' to properly use.

Riven is just aids.

it be lìke that2 votes

I play against gold players sometimes in ranked games, they arent often good. Anything below plat 2 seems to be a shit show from what i have seen.

Thats cute tho calling gold "high elo"

You are literally complaining about champions that aren't easy to play correctly, and you cant exactly destroy playing riven wrong, if she cant fast q combo and she still wins, that is 3828385583581399% YOUR fault.

Tilthankaldar4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KjXbAfji,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-08-10T22:27:42.219+0000)

I play against gold players sometimes in ranked games, they arent often good. Anything below plat 2 seems to be a shit show from what i have seen.

Thats cute tho calling gold "high elo"

You are literally complaining about champions that aren't easy to play correctly, and you cant exactly destroy playing riven wrong, if she cant fast q combo and she still wins, that is 3828385583581399% YOUR fault.

Never said gold was high elo. if you're going to put words in my mouth atleast make me sound smart you ignorant (insert cuss word here )

''You are literally complaining about champions that aren't easy to play correctly''

Tell me one thing. How the fuck is yasuo ''hard to play needs mlg skills'' when hes the #1 most played champ WITH a positive win rate?

it be lìke that1 votes

Personally, the only thing i hate about Yasou in game, is having him on my team.

so many conditions go into winrates/popularity you would need to look at graphs extensively to dissect and get to the root of the problem.

Not my job, but im sure its someones at riot.

Paroe2 votes

Mobility is frustrating to play against. VERY frustrating. Especially unconditional mobility and spammable mobility like zed, LB, and fiora.

Risk of Fate2 votes

People really should play these champions to see what it's like on the other side of the coin. I've played against many many many MANY Zeds and Yasuos, often dominating them. When I finally got around to playing Zed (it was either against my friend or in the One for All a while back), I realize that holy crap how do you even keep track of your shadows?

As for Yasuo, I'm okay, but I will feed 8/10 with the other 2 being me holding a 1:1 kda at the very least. Heck, there was a time I thought "hurr, Katarina so easy to play. Mash buttons and win" until I decided to pick her up because she looked fun as I got over the hate. As per usual, I didn't do too hot though I didn't care cause I just shunpo'd everywhere which was absolute fun. However, if you're playing her, you immediately realize the amount of ways the enemy can just knock you out of your ult. Currently I do okay, but anyone that mains her will definitely wreck my day.

ActivatingEMP2 votes

I like how your idea of counterplay against Yasuo is literally "wait until someone else can save you"

it be lìke that1 votes

If you don't think you can fight him?

Pick Malz (boring i know) but at least yasou will be sad?

I would be indifferent about a yasou nerf. I don't usually view him as a problem, more often than not he's a feeder who just rallies 35 mins into the game and gets a quadra then finishes 7/13

ActivatingEMP1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KjXbAfji,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-08-10T23:31:32.648+0000)

If you don't think you can fight him?

Pick Malz (boring i know) but at least yasou will be sad?

I would be indifferent about a yasou nerf. I don't usually view him as a problem, more often than not he's a feeder who just rallies 35 mins into the game and gets a quadra then finishes 7/13

Exactly, you can feed out of your ass with yas and still get a quadra late game because you are a "hyper carry" who also happens to have great potential in the laning phase

Grimspeake2 votes

i love how bronze gameplay and balance can be

Mr Broken Wings1 votes

but riven is easy and op hehe xd

it be lìke that1 votes

I mean look at my recents, im not an amazing riven, but i generally win lane or go positive.

That swain, effing violated me.

New Swain has SOOOOOOOOOO much lane control its now disgusting, factor in his ridiculous sustain and any non god tier riven will be a complete joke. Any time i almost killed him, Not even close baby.

Apocalypsic2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KjXbAfji,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-08-11T00:24:07.230+0000)

I mean look at my recents, im not an amazing riven, but i generally win lane or go positive.

That swain, effing violated me.

New Swain has SOOOOOOOOOO much lane control its now disgusting, factor in his ridiculous sustain and any non god tier riven will be a complete joke. Any time i almost killed him, Not even close baby.

New Swain isn't too hard to fight as Riven. Make short trades, treat it like the Darius matchup, Q W Auto to proc thunderlords then E QQ out. Rinse and repeat, taking into account to mix things up to not get too predictable. If you save enough mobility (your E and a Q or two) and take short trades you can completely avoid his root and most of his Q. All in him when he's low and don't forget to grab an executioners calling.

The most annoying thing about him is farming against him, which really is the same with most ranged AP matchups (ie. Kennen, Teemo)

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