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jungle start method that i feel is highly effective. thoughts?

Mirawiel·12/1/2014, 8:19:47 PM·2 votes·2,141 views

i like starting 1pot + machete . this lets you kill red and golems and recall to upgrade your jungle item

you start red, and you smite red when your at 70% health (smiting red heals 20% of max health) . dont use your pot yet.

then kill golems and start pot when fighting golems

i find pretty much every champion can do this easily without a leash. only 1 pot is needed. because you dont need a leash, you can type

"i dont need a leash. do not leash please. id rather you guys have a little advantage in your lane"

and normally your team wont leash if you type that so they can get a little advantage in their lanes

next after upgrading jungle item, you go and kill gromp and your smite is up to smite gromp right away. now you have red and gromp buffs for fast clearing, fast farming, fast level 6. get 6 then gank.

i find using this tactic, you have farming speeds similar to old jungle while your enemy jungler is struggling.

you get your jungle upgrade so fast, combined with red AND gromp

5 Comments

Nhifu12/1/2014, 9:01:51 PM1 votes

Poison frog if you have no dps (nautilus) Double golems if you have dps (rengar/kha/lee/jarv)

It makes more sense starting golems, since you will stun the red with every 5 auto attacks. . .

I think the current jungle is designed so you start frog / golems --> gank --> come back to the buff with smite.

So let's say you gank top, lose some hp. . --> do red

For some reason I find it easier to only clear one side of the jungle for a fast 6. (golems, wraith, red) or (frog, wolf, blue)

Kind of like in world tournaments we see junglers taking the enemies half of the map.

(Golems red wraith + enemy frog) (Frog blue wolves + enemy golems)

Talamare12/2/2014, 5:42:27 AM1 votes

Since Red gives 1% max hp regen, I rather have it up for maximum amount of time while in the jg, I don't want to get it and instantly need to recall

Also as far as allies advantage in lane, usually they can make it back and without losing any CS... AT MOST 1 or 2

Droogzy12/2/2014, 5:52:29 AM1 votes

I've been finding I can clear the entire jungle in the first go, depending on who it is I'm jungling and how good of a leash I get with using this pattern: Krugs-Wolves-Red Buff-Blue Buff-Gromp-Raptors.

Start off krugs, smite for the every 5 AA stun, move to wolves because they seem to be the weakest and you can kill while smite is on CD, smite red for health return, kill blue buff, smite gromp, and depending on how good AoE your jungler have, with gromp passive and AoE clear, you can usually clear raptor camp. Then recall. Hope this helps.

SmokingPuffin12/2/2014, 5:55:18 AM1 votes

For most champions, this doesn't sound as good as (blue side): 0. Machete + 2 pots

Smite Krugs
Kill red and chickens
Base and upgrade machete
Smite Gromp

Am I missing something?

idl112/4/2014, 9:55:35 AM1 votes

Really the only problem is on junglers that have crappy sustain early game. My favorite post 4.20 junglers are Nunu and Trundle, they clear no problem and can usually get the Gromp on first clear. I have been able to get Gromp on second clear on every jungler I've used which would be:

Fiddlesticks Malphite Nunu Olaf Rengar Trundle Udyr Warwick XinZhao

I think you still need a leash on many champions though, there's no way I could jungle Rengar without a leash. I don't think your idea is bad, probably works just fine but I think there are many viable ways of clearing the jungle. On my first clear I usually just do Red-Raptors-Wolves-Gromp, sometimes no Gromp if low sustain champ. This gets me enough to get my first machete upgrade and some potions, more if I get the Gromp. Then on second clear I go Krug-Raptors-Wolves-Gromp-Blue, again on low sustain champs sometimes can't do all. There are probably better clear paths than this but it works well for me and keeps me at or above the other jungler. After second clear it changes because then I prioritize Red-Gromp-Blue in that order.