Is Vayne OP? Answering the big question.

Finn Teh Human··6 votes·1,112 views

So recently since Vayne has been played more and more, a lot of people have been claiming that Vayne is "op". Their reasoning? "Her w is op, true dmg op on adc". That is the answer that most people give. But the problem lies with the fact that people don't understand that Vayne has a different playstyle than normal ADC's, and that she also has a different kit then most ADC's. Lets think about her kit for a moment. What does Vayne have? A small attack buff with her Q, a passive that procs on the 3rd consecutive attack (in other words, she can't attack another target otherwise she loses the rings of silver bolts), a stun IF she lands her E correctly, and an ult that gives her stealth, movement speed when moving towards an enemy, and a small attack boost. That might seem a little op to some people. But lets consider now what Vayne DOESN'T have. She has NO AOE AA's/spells. She has NO ATTACK SPEED STEROID. She has NO RANGE BOOST IN THE GAME. All of those things considered, Vayne has a higher skill cap that every other ADC. And yet, people STILL say she's op or at the least too easy of an early game. Here's the thing that I've noticed (as a Vayne main) in a lot of games. People will pick a Vayne counter such as Cait or Jinx. BUT THEY DON'T POKE OR USE THEIR RANGE AGAINST VAYNE! They just farm or rarely poke, they're not aggro at all. You can't let a Vayne free farm, and yet that's what a lot of people do. If you ever watched the pro ADC's who are playing Vayne and the enemy lets them free farm they make comments about it. "You should never let a Vayne farm this well early game." And yet that's what people do. Now thinking about Vayne's kit again I would like to point out that her kit is a dueling kit, so it's harder to play her in teamfights. Jinx, Ashe, Cait, Trist, Twitch, Kog'maw and others are able to just sit back and AA whoever comes within their range (which happens to be a very long range). I know there's people who are going to disagree with me up and down, but honestly, it's the high elo Vayne mains that make Vayne look op.

23 Comments

mtAkFzLsUS4 votes

No.. its just vayne. Here, I will redo this post.

'Is Vayne OP?'

'Yes.'

Vayne is in every single game, on both sides in every normal I play. I don't remember when I saw a vayne not be fed, even if there are 2 in a game. They will both be fed. Vayne is an incredibly easy champion to play, with a high skill cap. Same with Riven.

Finn Teh Human3 votes

She's not easy to play, it's just that more and more people are now playing her. I was just in a game with a Vayne who fed 6 or 7 kills and got none. I love how people are quick to say she's op but don't take anything else into consideration.

Yosuke Apperu5 votes

You can't run away from her, and if you try chasing you and she doesnt want to fight she condemns you. It's because she's a "dueling adc" that she's "op" and I full on believe shes broken as hell. You didnt mention her strong points either. Vayne decides when the two of you fight, you don't have any say. Her condemn knocks you so far that it's not hard to land and if she does land it, not only are you stunned..but at max rank it deals 370 + 100 percent bonus ad. Her ulti gives her even more chasing power and an AD steroid of 70 for 12 seconds at max rank. Not to mention tumble makes her invisible and she can tumble 5-6 times in one ulti if she so pleases. Her tumble isnt a small modifier either, 50 percent ad. She has the most self peel of any adc, and she in my opinion is bull shit.. but as erect nips said, easy to play but high skill cap just like riven. True damage is stupid on an adc btw :p

Finn Teh Human1 votes

Yeah but that's cause everyone points our her strengths without touching on her weaknesses. She gives up A LOT of different things in order to have those kind of dueling strengths.

Binxy Prime1 votes

That used to be true but they have nerfed all of the burst ADCs so she basically goes even or better in every lane and completely outscales you.

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

The biggest obstacle an ADC faces in any game are the initiators, tanks and bruiser who catch you off guard. The range increase and attack speed steroid the other ADCs get are to help them deal with these initiators, and they still fall short. Vayne's kit gives her more of what other ADCs kits provide them for the sake of safety, whilst destroying the champs ADCs have issues with more effectively. Vayne never suffers from being unable to chase down people, or run away. She never suffers from having to build massive amounts of armor penetration to kill tanks and bruisers, and since the damage is based off auto attack speed, she can rush tank shredding items which other ADCs have to put off initially while still maintaining the ability to annihilate squishy targets.

LSD LobsterMoney1 votes

You need to play her to know her, just cause you get rekt by her doesnt mean that she is easy, Yasuo is op but he has his mechanics so does vayne, Vayne might be easy to play but hard to master

lolipopevelynn2 votes

when has vayne not been OP? all she has to do is get to late game and, if skilled, she flat out wins.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

Isn't that the same idea with Nasus...

Sasogwa1 votes

Nope. Nasus is a midgame pick that falls off in lategame due to being kited and melted. His scaling is like... linear, while carries have exponential scaling that stops at one point (6 items). And games rarely go far longer than 6 items, and when everyone has 6 items, Nasus doesn't really have the time to powerfarm anymore. Objectives are more key.

If Nasus was ranged however ... :D

Finn Teh Human1 votes

Lol what game are you playing? Nasus is a tank that can 2 shot you late game cause of his Q. Not to mention that his ult increases his range. His W not only slows movement speed (not to mention it's the best slow in the game max rank) but also slows attack speed. No idea where you're coming up with this "melted" crap cause the only time a decent Nasus loses is usually when his team isn't going in with him or doing something wrong.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Lol what game are you playing? Nasus is a tank that can 2 shot you late game cause of his Q. Not to mention that his ult increases his range. His W not only slows movement speed (not to mention it's the best slow in the game max rank) but also slows attack speed. No idea where you're coming up with this "melted" crap cause the only time a decent Nasus loses is usually when his team isn't going in with him or doing something wrong.

Come out from the fact I have 1k+ games with Nasus and I'm diamond IV and I actually understand how the game works, while you're gold 4. Two-shotting people doesn't help if you can't reach them. But I'm not sure kiting/peeling is even a thing at your elo. Anyway, in teamfights lategame, Nasus is hardly good. Against a cohesive team that protects their carries well (in ranked team for instance) you're never gonna reach the backline. Also a lot of your tankiness comes from lifesteal as well, which makes you the best duellist in the game, but not that tanky in teamfights -you're not gonna out-tank a Nautilus/Mao/Sion top or sthg, especially if you took triforce-

Anyway, you won't meet these problems until higher elo.

Cruk2 votes

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Come out from the fact I have 1k+ games with Nasus and I'm diamond IV and I actually understand how the game works, while you're gold 4. Two-shotting people doesn't help if you can't reach them. But I'm not sure kiting/peeling is even a thing at your elo. Anyway, in teamfights lategame, Nasus is hardly good. Against a cohesive team that protects their carries well (in ranked team for instance) you're never gonna reach the backline. Also a lot of your tankiness comes from lifesteal as well, which makes you the best duellist in the game, but not that tanky in teamfights -you're not gonna out-tank a Nautilus/Mao/Sion top or sthg, especially if you took triforce-

Anyway, you won't meet these problems until higher elo.

Dude i always try telling people this shit and they never get it, they just immediately think Nasus? 45 minutes? He can one shot ANYONE including the tanks! Theres a fkin frontline dude, also, Its late game and he has the best slow ever! Ok its late game, the ADC better have a fkin QSS if playing against a nasus or you KNOW that he is garbage.

ImSoFull1 votes

Or pick Thresh and Tristana and zone her all game lmfao.

CreationFlaw2 votes

But I find vayne pretty ridiculous. Mostly safety wise, the bitch will catch you, her passive range is 2k.. TWO THOUSAND. Y'all going to be chasing me from tribush to river and still have ridiculous movement speed. At level 1 with no boots, her movement speed is Usually 360 with her passive. Up to 430 without boots for eight seconds. This literally allows you to be faster then most champions with boots when you don't. And in all honesty, it's hard to hit Vayne with skillshots. Tumble is on a lower cooldown and way lower mana cost then the skillshots in question, other then say, Mystic shot.

Also, everything works with her W. Even if you condemn them, it adds a stack. But I'd be fine with all that if she actually had a bad laning phase.

But it's not bad, it's solid average, 550 range and solid growth stats.

Hell, I find even playing quinn lategame I can't 1v1 her half the time because she's invisible for the majority of the blind and then I'm stunned against the wall for 400 damage and a 1.5 second stun on a hyper carry. She's completely reliant on auto attacks, yet her secondary is Assassin. Hello?, I'm getting smashed easily when I built B.F and she built Recurve.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

Again, people don't consider what she gives up in order to have different strengths than other ADC's. That's like saying that Cait is op just because she has range and IF played correctly can kite you and you can never AA her. Or like with Nasus, (if you're playing against him) you can WIN LANE HARD but STILL get crushed late game no matter how well your team is doing if you allow Nasus to stack and you don't end the game.

SoberToaster2 votes

she's just cancer

Its All Skillzz1 votes

Vayne summoner 11 item 3006 item 3933 item 3153 item 3102 item 3022 item 3143 Carried a few games with this build lol.

CreationFlaw1 votes

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Vayne summoner 11 item 3006 item 3933 item 3153 item 3102 item 3022 item 3143 Carried a few games with this build lol.

Wasn't this the 2 plat build a few days ago xD

Its All Skillzz1 votes

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Wasn't this the 2 plat build a few days ago xD

yea it was.

O Fallen Scholar1 votes

She is only OP if your team doesn't know what are priorities. Since Vayne has to come pretty close to deal heavy single target damage.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Vayne is the most popular champion in the game. Yasuo is the next one. There is a reason why everyone plays her.

Gordo San1 votes

The only thing OP about Vayne is when players try to pull a doublelift and/or gosu and feed the shit outta the enemy team.

#CLGWin

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