@Riot Remove non-skillshot stuns from the game

Bultz · 2017-04-25T20:19:13.353Z

Champions like Ryze, annie, and renekton need to have their stuns forced into being skillshots. FIrst off they all do horrendous amounts of damage which you can't come back from as they snowball you into oblivion. Rekentons stun isn't even a skillshot it's a close range hit which is absolute bullshit as he can go tank and lethality and shred you into the ground. He should be forced into throwing his weapon to stun you, not get a freelo stun off anytime anyone gets to close. He already has bullshit built in heal and his ult is cancerous while he can gap close for free, he doesn't need freelo stuns. Annie too, a champion whose passive is a free stun is a load of trash. Like you're fucking already being bursted into the fucking ground by her kit and her bullshit bear who rages you and you are punished if you kill her by dying anyways to the bear. Like it's a load of shit. Ryze is trash now, but his stun is still bullshit. Something so game changing on a champion who can burst you is too much. I mean they all have silences as well to their fucking stuns. They need to be forced into them being skillshots like every other champion is forced into.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20175 votes

Um no. If you're playing one of those champions, you are SUPPOSED to be saving the mobility tool TO escape with in the first place unless you can all-in and kill them before they can retaliate by having worn them down low enough. (Or a jungler gank or just being fed, etc)

If you decided to waste your mobility tool and got hit anyways, that's your fault and you misplaying. If you had the mobility tool but still couldn't dodge anyways, that's a misplay on your part.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Um no. If you're playing one of those champions, you are SUPPOSED to be saving the mobility tool TO escape with in the first place unless you can all-in and kill them before they can retaliate by having worn them down low enough. (Or a jungler gank or just being fed, etc)

Ummmmmm no, the only counter to a bullshit stun being to run away or die is not fuckign acceptable. I either stay in base or go in and run away from the fight if they dash in on me? No no no, that's a load of shit and needs to change.

If you decided to waste your mobility tool and got hit anyways, that's your fault and you misplaying. If you had the mobility tool but still couldn't dodge anyways, that's a misplay on your part.

No wrong in either case, being stunned at any engage in your laning phase in a 1v1 only to be force into running away if they should stun you is the biggest load of crap i can imagine.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

Um. You literally forgot what you said 9 minutes ago it seems. You said use skillshots against them. What I'm saying is you have no excuse for a skillshot to ever hit you in a 1v1 as one of those kinds of champions.

Wow, gee, maybe you should stop dueling the fucking earlygame champion if you're not equally strong earlygame IN SAID earlygame.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Um. You literally forgot what you said 9 minutes ago it seems. You said use skillshots against them. What I'm saying is you have no excuse for a skillshot to ever hit you in a 1v1 as one of those kinds of champions.

That's a load of shit as any mobile champions are close range fighters and renekton's stun is a non skillshot which hits you and gives you no way to avoid it.

Wow, gee, maybe you should stop dueling the fucking earlygame champion if you're not equally strong earlygame IN SAID earlygame.

Oh i'm sorry he can ult and tower dive 5 minutes into the game and kill anyone while taking barely any damage while having built in heal and gap closers. No don't play bullshit cards.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

I don't think you still are reading.

You were talking about skillshots. I am replying to that.

I'm not fucking talking about Renekton's stun.

No, he can't. Stop exaggerating.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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I don't think you still are reading.

You were talking about skillshots. I am replying to that.

I'm not fucking talking about Renekton's stun.

No, he can't. Stop exaggerating.

EIther put it in quotes or i don't know what ur responding to.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

"You check them with a skillshot. If you don't have the skill, you don't get rewarded for bullshit kits."

Landing a skillshot on a hypermobile champion isn't skill on the skillshotter's part. It's the hypermobile champion's player fucking up.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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"You check them with a skillshot. If you don't have the skill, you don't get rewarded for bullshit kits."

Landing a skillshot on a hypermobile champion isn't skill on the skillshotter's part. It's the hypermobile champion's player fucking up.

I almost 100 never miss a skillshot on any mobile champion ever. If I can do it, so can they.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

Or, they're just shit at dodging.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Or, they're just shit at dodging.

and that's on them. their lack of skill. Not mine.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

That is literally what I'm saying.

If you are playing a hypermobile champion and get hit by a skillshot in a 1v1, you are garbage at dodging.

They are not good for landing it.

The misplay is up to you fucking up, not them being good.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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That is literally what I'm saying.

If you are playing a hypermobile champion and get hit by a skillshot in a 1v1, you are garbage at dodging.

They are not good for landing it.

The misplay is up to you fucking up, not them being good.

No not at all. You are not garbage at dodging when stuns are easy to land no matter what champion.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20172 votes

Jesus fuck you don't get it. I'm not talking about targeted abilities.

If it's a skillshot, you have absolutely no excuse to be hit by it as a hypermobile champion ever in a 1v1.

If you get hit, you are bad.

It's not up to the enemy to decide whether they can hit you. It's up to you and whether or not you fuck up like an idiot to decide whether or not they get to hit you.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Jesus fuck you don't get it. I'm not talking about targeted abilities.

If it's a skillshot, you have absolutely no excuse to be hit by it as a hypermobile champion ever in a 1v1.

If you get hit, you are bad.

No that's not how playing a game works. It's so easy to predict mobile champions that you have to suck at skillshots to miss. mobile champions are super easy to stun.

It's not up to the enemy to decide whether they can hit you. It's up to you and whether or not you fuck up like an idiot to decide whether or not they get to hit you.

No that's not how playing a game works. Yasuo without minions is fucked. LIke no beign stunned doesn't mean you are bad.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20172 votes

I'm not going to bother.

You're either trolling or just incredibly ignorant and incapable of reading comprehension. So I'm dropping out before you give me an aneurysm.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 25, 20172 votes

you are a silver rank player who one tricks yasou who averages 13 deaths a game.

what skill ?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 25, 20172 votes

LMAO how bad are you at this game ?

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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LMAO how bad are you at this game ?

i'd rekt you thats for sure.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 25, 20171 votes

lol no chances are you wont ... ill just play a champ with a stun or root and make you rage and go on tilt and create another thread on the board so you can cry it all out.

Fed by Snu SnuApr 25, 20174 votes

Because Yasuo and Katarina are not obnoxious enough.

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You check them with a skillshot. If you don't have the skill, you don't get rewarded for bullshit kits.

Then Yasuo's dash should also not be a point and click, no cooldown skill either.

If he doesn't have the skill to avoid a skillshot, he shouldnt get rewarded for bullshit kits.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Because Yasuo and Katarina are not obnoxious enough.

Then Yasuo's dash should also not be a point and click, no cooldown skill either.

If he doesn't have the skill to avoid a skillshot, he shouldnt get rewarded for bullshit kits.

Yasuo's dash doesn't stun you or prevent you from attack so no. His dashing is him avoiding the skill shot. Rekenton doesn't give you a chance to dodge the skillshot as it's isn't a skill shot and your point in invalid.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

His E-Q is a targeted knockup.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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His E-Q is a targeted knockup.

whose? Yasuo's? the guy that needs 30 minutes of farming to buy the most expensive items in game to be able to do damage? Meanwhile renekton stuns you and has plenty of sustain and damage early to late game?

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

Jesus fuck you need to learn some reading comprehension.

His E-Q is a targeted and near unavoidable knockup if he can E near you/onto you. Same thing with Renekton's dash. Complaining about Renekton's dash-melee stun but not Yasuo's dash-AoE knockup is hypocritical.

Renekton is trash lategame.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Jesus fuck you need to learn some reading comprehension.

His E-Q is a targeted and near unavoidable knockup if he can E near you/onto you. Same thing with Renekton's dash. Complaining about Renekton's dash-melee stun but not Yasuo's dash-AoE knockup is hypocritical.

And you need to learn fuckign context. Yasuo doesn't do shit damage to you early game while renekton's fury stacks bash your skull in and stun you for 1.5 seconds while healing him and doing shit tons of damage to you nor do they give yasuo an extra 225% damage. Yasuo knocks you up and has to run or he dies from his squishiness, Rekenton stuns you and proceeds to fuck you analy.

Renekton is trash lategame.

LOLOLOL Sure he is.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20174 votes

No one gives a fuck about the context.

Yasuo is a lategame hyperscaler. Renekton is an earlygame lane bully.

Of course Renekton will do more damage early.

If you think Renekton doesn't fall off, you are simply bad.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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No one gives a fuck about the context.

Yasuo is a lategame hyperscaler. Renekton is an earlygame lane bully.

Yasuo is countered all game by any form of cc no matter how fed he is. Renekton is not.

Of course Renekton will do more damage early.

Renekton doesn't fall off ever. He does that damage all game.

If you think Renekton doesn't fall off, you are simply bad.

He doesn't. I have never seen one renekton become suddenly useless late game ever/

MissingKayoApr 25, 20173 votes

Um, Renekton is countered just as hard.

Yes, he does that damage all game. Except everyone except assassins and ADCs build armor and health. So his effective damage still goes down.

That's because you and your team is bad and not handling him right then.

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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Um, Renekton is countered just as hard.

Yes, he does that damage all game. Except everyone except assassins and ADCs build armor and health. So his effective damage still goes down.

That's because you and your team is bad and not handling him right then.

No his effectiveness never goes down. No one targets him in a 5v5 because he is a tank and wouldn't be the first one to be killed, he has plenty of sustain, and he does plenty of damage. He never falls off if he gets the slightest lead.

MissingKayoApr 25, 20173 votes

No, Renekton is not a fucking tank.

He doesn't do damage nor does he sustain if you'd actually handle him correctly and CC him/use Grievous/Lord Dom's/Void Staff/etc.

SEKAIApr 25, 20172 votes

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You check them with a skillshot. If you don't have the skill, you don't get rewarded for bullshit kits.

One day in a military base:

Soldier A: "Sir! Visual on enemy fighter jets on the horizon!"

You: "Prepare to engage, get the RPGs ready and running! Move!"

Soldier B: "Sir! I propose using anti-air lockon missiles and anti-air sentries that we have!"

You: "You slow retard! What, are the fighter jets too fast for you honey?! GO AIM AND CHECK IT!!!! GO GO GO!!!!!"

Tomorrow on the news radio:

"Bultz military base has been invaded and destroyed by enemy fighter jets. Investigators are still not sure why many of the convincing anti-air options were left unused, they are looking for signs of spies who may have infiltrated the ranks and compromised the security."

BultzApr 25, 20171 votes

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One day in a military base:

Soldier A: "Sir! Visual on enemy fighter jets on the horizon!"

You: "Prepare to engage, get the RPGs ready and running! Move!"

Soldier B: "Sir! I propose using anti-air lockon missiles and anti-air sentries that we have!"

You: "You slow retard! What, are the fighter jets too fast for you honey?! GO AIM AND CHECK IT!!!! GO GO GO!!!!!"

Tomorrow on the news radio:

"Bultz military base has been invaded and destroyed by enemy fighter jets. Investigators are still not sure why many of the convincing anti-air options were left unused, they are looking for signs of spies who may have infiltrated the ranks and compromised the security."

SKill or no reward.

SEKAIApr 25, 20171 votes

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SKill or no reward.

Think about how dumb your logic is.

You are literally asking a pack of soldiers to not use RPG/Stingers, landmines or whatever that's more secure and guaranteed to shoot down say a fast and armed vehicle, but instead you force them to only snipe it using rifles or something.

Because apparently the land infantries need to be able to snipe a fking driver or tires of an armed and retaliating vehicle to be considered "skilled", while the vehicle is entirely okay to just be all that by default and one only needs half a brain to hold the steering wheel and shooting the mounted gun at the general direction of the infantry.

What sort of dumb and biased shit is this? It's outright and blatantly unfair. Why are you advocating that being mobile doesn't need a direct counter of lockon/lockdown just as mobility vastly outshines the immobile by having better maneuverability (such as juking) and speed etc? Why are you saying a balance that clearly favours 1 side of the equation is entirely okay?

Please stop.

@Riot Remove non-skillshot stuns from the game

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