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Why nerf Garen's Q only to then gut him with shield bash?

DarwinTheory··4 votes·1,962 views

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Well?

Seems like another brainless knee jerk reaction with very forwards thinking. Why can't you plan ahead RIOT? You clearly know what's happening months ahead of PBE release let alone live. So why buff and gut champs without even considering upcoming rune changes and with barely 2-3 months left in the season?

Shield bash does NOTHING for Garen whilst at the same time guts his ability to stay in lane vs poke by removing bone plating in the ONLY viable tree for him....SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT IN TO STOP THE POKE META TOP! Remember???????

Jesus what's with this fucking company? Your support personnel are top notch polite, courteous, informative and amongst the best people you'll ever meet but whoever develops this game is a freaking monkey and whoever manages that team has ZERO management ability. I bet there's not even a roadmap/workflow system at RIOT past a single patch. Just a group of different depts doing different shit and slapping it together whenevers convenient.

Watch as Riven, Ornn dominate top. Oh and if you think World's Urgot is OP now consider that shield bash on him whilst he heals with rangrd grasp procs. It's going to be as bad as tank ekko and GP were.

9 Comments

True Garen4 votes

I don't think that a rune that only offers damage (even though it procs off a shield) belongs in Resolve at all. And especially to remove arguably the best Rune in the whole tree for this...

Riven can get over 4k damage in a match from this secondary Rune.

However, any champion, even Garen, could use this Rune reliably, if they also took Overheal, or Overheal + Bloodlines. Or even Fleet Footwork + Overheal, with Shield Bash in secondary.

Garen is already locked out of Aftershock; Resolve in general becomes unattractive for Garen.

Let Garen proc Aftershock on Q, and we'll call it even...maybe...

Moody P3 votes

it's only 20 damage, not the end of the world. Garen is benefiting from the stat decoupling opening up a HUGE variety of potential rune paths (Juggernauts arguably benefit from this more than anyone else) and the runes themselves now letting him spec into superior up-front defense - 12 armor or MR at level 1 and some HP, plus whatever you pick up from Resolve you run it, is plenty enough to help you survive poke lanes.

Póppy Chulo2 votes

-Garen lost like 20 damage to his Q. -MANY Garens at the time of nerf took Conq. -Garen passive+second wind help him recover lots of health. -Demolish has been pretty powerful recently, on him as well, and after the buffs coming same patch as Shield Bash. -PBE may be planned, yes. But 3 months prior Shield Bash might not have even been a thing. By the logic of this, Sated Devour users shouldn't have been nerfed if they were going to remove the item anyways. -Urgot doesn't take Grasp.

Critmaster Garen4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Póppy Chulo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbfmMEbg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-26T07:02:46.971+0000)

-MANY Garens at the time of nerf took Conq.

literally no one takes or took conqueror on garen ever. this is some bronze level shit. most used runes are grasp and phase rush.

demolish is not a viable alternative for trade power in lane that tanks will get, and its unreliable, which is why barely anyone takes it

it might become completely broken in preseason because of the new turret mechanic, and then subsequently nerfed. either way, shield bash will become broken as soon as demolish gets nerfed into a less viable spot again. neither outcome is desirable.

this is not jus about garen. Shen Ornn Sion and other tanks with kit inbuilt shields who can already deal a lot of damage in the early game get a grasp proc worth in damage added by the rune to every trade, when base defense is removed from all other top laners by the removal of boneplating.

theyre just trying to enforce a tank meta in top lane for some reason.

DarwinTheory1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbfmMEbg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-26T10:07:26.588+0000)

literally no one takes or took conqueror on garen ever. this is some bronze level shit. most used runes are grasp and phase rush.

demolish is not a viable alternative for trade power in lane that tanks will get, and its unreliable, which is why barely anyone takes it

it might become completely broken in preseason because of the new turret mechanic, and then subsequently nerfed. either way, shield bash will become broken as soon as demolish gets nerfed into a less viable spot again. neither outcome is desirable.

this is not jus about garen. Shen Ornn Sion and other tanks with kit inbuilt shields who can already deal a lot of damage in the early game get a grasp proc worth in damage added by the rune to every trade, when base defense is removed from all other top laners by the removal of boneplating.

theyre just trying to enforce a tank meta in top lane for some reason.

Exactly. Those champs with those shields are free to abuse the lane, poke with a shield not take damage deal extra damage so will pretty much push any non shielding melee from top.

Meanwhile garen gets a little more damage and a little more health.......as does his lane opponent.

So how does that extra health help Vs a ranged top like Gnar? Urgot? Keenen? Maybe? Quinn? Heimer? Teemo?

Answer: it doesn't. Those guys HARD countered garen this season. Imagine life without bone plating Vs those guys! You may as well int and leave your lane you'll be lucky to land 1/10th the farm of your opponent if they're half decent.

And how does that extra health and damage help Vs those shield tanks you mentioned? And Riven? And Urgot too?

Answer: It doesnt. Maybe the extra damage will helps little....but with a buffed shield it's instantly negated.

Bottom line non shielding ability melee champs need bone plating. Remove BP, amp just the shield based champs and probably alter/buff the other trees and this is going to be an utter joke.

Why can I see this now but few others?

I said Akali was broken after the rework. I got massively downvoted. Look who's now a too ban.....akali.....

I said Irelia was broken after the rework. Again this very forum massively downvoted me. She's highly banned now and highly detested.

The only thing that's going to help here will be compensation buffs which is a total circle jerk repeat of the constant break / fix /break / fix cycle of this game. It's a fucking joke can we not just have some stability and fine tuning ONE FUCKING TIME IN 8 YEARS!!!!!

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Easy solution.

Make Courage give a 1 hit point shield when activated.

DarwinTheory1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbfmMEbg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-26T13:05:26.401+0000)

Easy solution.

Make Courage give a 1 hit point shield when activated.

Impractical because garens shield has a tiny window to proc and a massive cool down.

And it wouldn't be fair to other non shield based resolve tree melees anyway.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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Impractical because garens shield has a tiny window to proc and a massive cool down.

It's not a tiny window, Shield Bash has a minimum of 4 seconds to proc, no matter how long the shield duration is.

And it wouldn't be fair to other non shield based resolve tree melees anyway.

Just give every defensive spell a 1 hit point shield.

Zaghyr1 votes

While also conveniently ignoring that you can pick whatever stats you want cough to pick more resists cough

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