What are your thoughts and opinions on the best champs and masteries for Invasion?

Hexs Fortune··2 votes·3,370 views

Based off my personal experiences

MissFortune Jinx PoppyJanna Syndra

MissFortune with proper love tap play is consistently the highest damage on every team i've run. Her ult very nice for snap clearing mobs in times of crisis or for planning massive damage into known group spawns.

Jinx Consistently second highest damage only to MF. Traps are a very nice root to help control mobs.

-Poppy only tank and has a really nice anti dash field for the Rek sai / Kha'zix spam. Durable enough to handle resses.

Janna The knock back/ knock up cc in her kit feel really nice and her ult heals. Her shield spam and free move speed finalize her as the top support imo

Syndra Syndra has the strongest cc of the mages and offers good damage. 2 out of her 3 main abilities are either a full aoe stun or a strong aoe slow

As for masteries, I like taking Expose Weakness, Fervor of Battle and Dangerous Game

20 Comments

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Got an S+ with this comp earlier except we swapped Syndra for Soraka. I agree that Syndra is definitely the best mage if you are good with her.

Kill order always varies depending on the situation. Sometimes it is better to kill Kog'maw on one side, kill the Vel'Koz until the other Kog'maw's on the map go on cooldown. Sometimes it is better to kill the CC melees as quickly as possible so you can actually move enough to GET to the Vel's and the Kog's in the first place.

You do have a good list. I like it. Here is my tier order...

Jinx Poppy Janna Syndra MissFortune Soraka Ezreal Ahri Lulu Lux

Fairyfleur2 votes

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Got an S+ with this comp earlier except we swapped Syndra for Soraka. I agree that Syndra is definitely the best mage if you are good with her.

Kill order always varies depending on the situation. Sometimes it is better to kill Kog'maw on one side, kill the Vel'Koz until the other Kog'maw's on the map go on cooldown. Sometimes it is better to kill the CC melees as quickly as possible so you can actually move enough to GET to the Vel's and the Kog's in the first place.

You do have a good list. I like it. Here is my tier order...

Jinx Poppy Janna Syndra MissFortune Soraka Ezreal Ahri Lulu Lux

Lux is much better than a lot of them. Take stoneborn pact, and build Ardent Censer along with redemption. Pick a few carries and just use your shield. Her damage is also great too.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Lux doesn't deal as much sustained damage as the damage dealing counterparts, doesn't support nearly as well as the support counterparts, and doesn't tank as well as Poppy.

Fairyfleur2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Delusional,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KaFl0Tim,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-09T07:20:49.541+0000)

Lux doesn't deal as much sustained damage as the damage dealing counterparts, doesn't support nearly as well as the support counterparts, and doesn't tank as well as Poppy.

I don't think you understand the amount of supporting she can do with stoneborn pact, ardent censer, and redemption. One E applies stoneborn pact to every unit that walks inside, and her shield can apply the buff to the whole team.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

I don't think you understand how little it does in comparison to the other supports. If the mastery is THAT useful, there is also nothing stopping the support champions from using it. All of their Q's can do the same thing as her E. You also can't reliably land Lux's shield on every teammate every time. EVEN IF YOU COULD, it isn't nearly as game changing as a thick juicy shield on your priority targets. Let us not even get started with Lux's lack of peel.

Lux doesn't have a defining identity in this mode that makes her a better choice over anything else.

Your team needs a support? Pick Janna or Soraka Need an ADC? Pick Jinx or MF Need a mage? Pick Syndra or Ahri Need a tank? There is only one option... :D

Lux isn't better at anything. You can make her work in plenty of ways but you can make every champion work. Here, we are not talking about making champions work. We are talking about champions that can dominate their corresponding identities with the least amount of effort.

Fairyfleur1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Delusional,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KaFl0Tim,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-09T08:01:30.066+0000)

I don't think you understand how little it does in comparison to the other supports. If the mastery is THAT useful, there is also nothing stopping the support champions from using it. All of their Q's can do the same thing as her E. You also can't reliably land Lux's shield on every teammate every time. EVEN IF YOU COULD, it isn't nearly as game changing as a thick juicy shield on your priority targets. Let us not even get started with Lux's lack of peel.

Lux doesn't have a defining identity in this mode that makes her a better choice over anything else.

Your team needs a support? Pick Janna or Soraka Need an ADC? Pick Jinx or MF Need a mage? Pick Syndra or Ahri Need a tank? There is only one option... :D

Lux isn't better at anything. You can make her work in plenty of ways but you can make every champion work. Here, we are not talking about making champions work. We are talking about champions that can dominate their corresponding identities with the least amount of effort.

Lux is by far one of the best picks and a must have on any team that wants to clear onslaught. With a team of Miss Fortune and Jinx, she can consistently apply the ardent censer buff to each of them if they coordinate, while also having it on a 6 second cooldown with 40% cdr max rank.

Her shield is especially strong in any condition that requires you to stay inside a small area, you almost always get the double proc, and it applies to every member of your team. The only situation where a Janna/Lulu shield might be better is in the open wide maps where your team is split up to kill each enemy.

Stoneborn Pact applies to every champion that even walks through the E aoe, which makes it so you can place an E forever (keeping it there, and using it again) in a chokepoint within the stand your ground levels. In other types it isn't as strong but it still provides a large amount of AOE damage along with a slow.

I don't have much to say about her Q, but it can cancel Vel'koz's and Kog'maw's channels, and leave them vulnerable to your team.

All the while you're racking up athene's charges with your Q, E, and ult. Her ult is amazing, it has a very short cooldown on reset (which you get a lot of), while also nuking a large aoe. It's also useful for taking down far away Vel'koz that your team couldn't finish off.

The sheer amount of sustain and survivability she can provide to a team of two ADCarries like Jinx and MissFortune that are building item 3153 item 3124 and item 3091 while also taking fervor is honestly just insane.

The other champions provide a lot too, (besides Ahri, easily the worst pick in the gamemode) but don't make the mistake that Lux isn't a strong pick. However, playing with these masteries and builds in mind requires you to pay attention to everything going on, which is certainly a challenge. Also, sure the other supports can use it, but cannot apply it in the way Lux can.

Btw: writing this in a very tired state.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Yeah you just kind furthered my point. Look at how much you have to go out of your way to try to make Lux a viable support, but still doesn't come close in comparison. I don't understand why you feel the overwhelming need to defend Lux in the first place considering the lightheartedness of my initial post.

If you say Lux is a better support than any of those three, you are objectively wrong. In regards to that, I am not saying you can't make it work. We are making tier lists, not saying who sucks or doesn't suck. Would it make you feel better about yourself if I elaborated how they stack up in their own categories?

Mages: Syndra Ahri Lux

ADC: Jinx MissFortune Ezreal

Supports: Janna Soraka Lulu

Tanks: Poppy

She isn't even considered a Support in the game mode itself. Also, if Stoneborn Pact was THAT good, the actual supports would be using it. They can all proc it AND still use their REAL heals, shields, game changing ultimates, and peel. Lux is somewhere in the middle between control mage and support. She makes a better mage than she does a support and she is probably the worst mage in this mode.

Lux is just that champion you play when your team is trying to make you play a Support, but you don't actually feel like playing a Support.

You would have a real argument if you were trying to tell me, "Which MAGE can be the best SUPPORT?". Syndra has nice peel and CC but she doesn't have the Lux shield. Ahri only has a charm.

Fairyfleur1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Delusional,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KaFl0Tim,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-09T10:13:05.502+0000)

Yeah you just kind furthered my point. Look at how much you have to go out of your way to try to make Lux a viable support, but still doesn't come close in comparison. I don't understand why you feel the overwhelming need to defend Lux in the first place considering the lightheartedness of my initial post.

If you say Lux is a better support than any of those three, you are objectively wrong. In regards to that, I am not saying you can't make it work. We are making tier lists, not saying who sucks or doesn't suck. Would it make you feel better about yourself if I elaborated how they stack up in their own categories?

Mages: Syndra Ahri Lux

ADC: Jinx MissFortune Ezreal

Supports: Janna Soraka Lulu

Tanks: Poppy

She isn't even considered a Support in the game mode itself. Also, if Stoneborn Pact was THAT good, the actual supports would be using it. They can all proc it AND still use their REAL heals, shields, game changing ultimates, and peel. Lux is somewhere in the middle between control mage and support. She makes a better mage than she does a support and she is probably the worst mage in this mode.

Lux is just that champion you play when your team is trying to make you play a Support, but you don't actually feel like playing a Support.

You would have a real argument if you were trying to tell me, "Which MAGE can be the best SUPPORT?". Syndra has nice peel and CC but she doesn't have the Lux shield. Ahri only has a charm.

With that specific set of masteries and items, she is a better pick than Lulu, Janna, and Soraka if you need shields and heals.

Each of those supports don't have the damage necessary for a worthwhile spot on the team, Lux offers what the ADCarries need while also providing the team with a lot of damage.

All I'm trying to say is that, when built and played right, Lux is a great pick as a damage dealer and support for her team.

Edit: When looking at my match history, a victory with lux netted me around 35,000 healing done in total. Compared to a victory with Soraka, she had double, but I had quadruple the damage. I can't find the rest of my Soraka games, but if you simply see how good Lux is as a support (and playing well) I think you'll believe me.

FatedSaviour1 votes

i dont use her in my best team of 5, but shes perfect for the no mage, plus having a 4th support in the burning bright team helps

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Right but this thread isn't even about that. It is a tier list.

FatedSaviour1 votes

oh, sorry, i was reading through and trying to half guess where to fit it, i just decided to put it at a random point in ur lux squabble

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Lol! You don't have to apologize. There isn't any substance or real counter points being made in the "squabble" so it doesn't really deserve a response. Every response I get is already answered in the previous replies I made.

You actually made a point that hasn't been answered yet! No apologies necessary :)

Fairyfleur2 votes

Teamcomps are pretty debatable, but dangerous game is definitely the best.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

i pick lulu wherever i go

no one suspects the athenes + AP "bait tank" strat

Hexs Fortune1 votes

A Lux who knows what she is doing is certainly an asset to the team.

I would actually prefer Lux to an Ahri or Ezreal.

Lux has good damage and more cc then those two, while possessing the option of bringing a second redemption to the team, bonus shielding and the censor buff.

Lux fits in fine with a core of MissFortune Poppy Janna Jinx Trade some bonus hard cc Syndra for some extra shielding, a bit lower dmg

Hexs Fortune1 votes

I feel Ahri and Ezreal are the two worst star guardians actually. It's funny they have the most mobility, but pay for it with severely lower damage than the rest of the offensive cast.

Jinx and MF dwarf Ezreal in damage done in about every game i've done with them. Teams don't need a 3rd adc and when we have one its usually a liability. He has no cc and his damage is out classed by the other two adc. His mobility feels like a crutch once you get used to the flow of the game mode.

Ahri is bottom of the barrel in damage done compared to even Ezreal. Her power is placed into her Q and E. Her Q is a fine move, but afterwards all you have is a single target E and W/R which had their damage nerfed recently.

She offers the least amount of cc out of all the mages as well.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

Syndra has nice peel and CC but she doesn't have the Lux shield. Ahri only has a charm.

Ahri does less damage then both Syndra and Lux with less cc. I'd decide between more dmg and hard cc in Syndra or a second redemption and shielding in lux

Titanium701 votes

IMO your Comp doesnt really matter that much - ones you've gtten used to the game you can beat with all the mission-comps easily. The only thing you have to keep in mind: Stoneborn+Censer=OP, use that! (Once, max twice/team)

warpenguin5551 votes

Im really split on Ahri. On one hand, shes useful due to her charm being able to interupt the velkoz and kogmaw, but her damage sucks so badly

Targon1 votes

Here are my opinions:

Best: Jinx MissFortune Poppy Soraka

Okay: Janna Lulu

Meh: Syndra Ahri Lux Ezreal

I feel like Jinx is really good in this mode. Her passive is almost always up and her range and DPS is massive. Miss Fortune is a close second with how effective her ultimate is at clearly tons of enemies. Poppy feels almost mandatory to be able to revive allies (as she's the only tank) and she can tank a lot of damage and reduce the effectiveness of Kha'zix and Rek'sai while still providing good disruption. Soraka's healing is super strong in this mode and her silence is fantastic when enemies are clumped.

Janna is okay. Her Q is great at disrupting enemies but you need to be pretty close to enemies or wait a long time for a longer Q. Her W feels almost useless in this mode if tons of enemies are chasing you. Lulu feels the same.

The others feel too restricted by their CDs and lack of DPS.

These are just my opinions though.

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