So uh... Is it just me or is Ekko leagues ahead of all other mages and assassins in scaling?

Frontline Fury··3 votes·1,735 views

Ekko is ridiculously much stronger than all other mages and assassins, why is this? Did he miss the memo on the scaling balancing and the "assassins should have 1.5 second kill times" ideal for the past three years?

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Keiaga4 votes

It's definitely just you. He has utility and tankiness but if you just look at his scaling and base numbers they're not as high as other assassins

Illabethe1 votes

Except he does % missing health damage, and most of them don't :)

(Once he has Lich bane, his W % Health damage can 1 shot on a successful E)

preternatural1 votes

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Except he does % missing health damage, and most of them don't :)

(Once he has Lich bane, his W % Health damage can 1 shot on a successful E)

his E doesn't apply on-hits though.

Illabethe1 votes

Except...... it does.....

Ekko's next basic attack has Range icon 300 bonus range, deals bonus magic damage, and causes him to blink to his target. The bonus magic damage is classified as ability damage.

That's literally what E is; A Basic attack stimulant. In other words, E is a Buff, not an active skill. It's a buff to an auto attack. Lich bane procs on the auto attack, as does W's

Ekko's basic attacks deal 3% (+ 3% per 100 AP) of the target's missing health bonus magic damage to targets below Health icon 30% of their maximum health. The damage has a minimum threshold of 15 and is capped at 150 against Minion icon minions and Monster icon monsters.

In other words, Ekko with ~ 300 AP:

Assuming just E:

E procs Lich Bane. On Hit E damage: 270 On Hit Lich Bane Damage: 264.5 damage

If the target has 1100 HP, the W by itself won't proc.

However, if he hits Q or R, it's part of a certain death equation.

If the target is below 80% HP, it will execute with W.

preternatural1 votes

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Except...... it does.....

That's literally what E is; A Basic attack stimulant. In other words, E is a Buff, not an active skill. It's a buff to an auto attack. Lich bane procs on the auto attack, as does W's

In other words, Ekko with ~ 300 AP:

Assuming just E:

E procs Lich Bane. On Hit E damage: 270 On Hit Lich Bane Damage: 264.5 damage

If the target has 1100 HP, the W by itself won't proc.

However, if he hits Q or R, it's part of a certain death equation.

If the target is below 80% HP, it will execute with W.

you've posted the entire ability description and nowhere does it mention that it applies on-hits. i've been here for the champs entire life cycle. you clearly have not.

Illabethe1 votes

Many champions also have abilities that will affect their basic attacks in some way or form. Such abilities are treated like basic attacks, are said to apply on-hit effects and will also apply Ability effects.

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Basic_attack

goodiesohhi1 votes

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https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Basic_attack

His e doesn't apply on hit. The auto does. Not the e. Ekko's e isn't actually a normal onhit ability. It's not an ability that's treated as an auto, it's simply just an effect that modifies his NEXT auto and does extra damage when it lands. Back when abilities that were treated as autos weren't blocked by spellshields, ekko's still was. Also back then, teemo blind would block the auto but not the magic damage.

Tailypo1 votes

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his E doesn't apply on-hits though.

It does apply on hits.

Regardless, Ekko isn't scaling leagues ahead of other mages and assassins. Kassadin

preternatural1 votes

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It does apply on hits.

Regardless, Ekko isn't scaling leagues ahead of other mages and assassins. Kassadin

no it doesn't apply on-hits, that was removed some 4 patches into his existence and was never put back.

Tailypo1 votes

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no it doesn't apply on-hits, that was removed some 4 patches into his existence and was never put back.

I just tested it. It 100% applies lich bane's spellblade.

Keiaga3 votes

And even with that hisaverage damage dealt is in the bottom third of all midlaners.

Illabethe1 votes

Damage output is a decieving number. Most assassins who capitalize and use their damage efficiently usually have low damage averages.

Champions who poke and waste damage generally have higher outputs, and a lot of those are mid lane. But they secure less KILLS on average for that damage. A good Ekko doesn't waste damage.

Keiaga1 votes

Doesn't that apply to all assassins then? It's not like their gameplans differ too much from "catch someone out and instagib them". And if all assassins have the same gameplans but still do more damage then..?

Illabethe1 votes

Not all. Zed is inefficient because his kills are generally tied to him ulting, while his overall damage is from Q harass in between. Talon tends to correlate with his kills effectiveness. Fizz tends to not waste damage. Katarina and Kha have generally high damage overall because their resets get them MORE kills and snowball their itemization faster, and their kits are generally allowed to be overloaded.

Pyke does generally follow this rule.

Keiaga1 votes

Big part of ekkos damage also comes from his ult. The rest of your post is a whole lot of mental gymnastics in an attempt to make it sound like your point has weight.

Illabethe1 votes

He doesn't need his ult to kill. Ult makes TEAM plays. Q/E with W missing health proc is enough to execute.

Posui Gart2 votes

He has to build quite a lot of items before his E+Q1+aa can oneshot people. At that point most assassins can do the same. His "full damage combo" takes too much time and requires enemies to somehow enter the ult zone, while the "reliable instant damage combo" is too weak. His upside is that he is much safer because of his R and W

Metal Janna1 votes

Isn't that the point of Ekko? You get to do assassin level damage but with CC also so you can take on tanky boys. In exchange you have to wait longer to get that damage.

Hayaishi21 votes

Ekko even waveclears better than most mages. Champion is not balanced as an assassin anymore.

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