Currently the entire game revolves around bot lane because they got so many objectives down there. They have 2+ people to kill A tower without fortification AND Dragon
Putting the lizard top would spread out the important early objectives and make bot lane less important in terms of huge snowball opportunities while also giving top laners something better to fight for other than the dumb Herald.
Just a crazy thought on my part though.
NGNL Asian62 votesThat will just switch bot duos into top
Karn Bishop3 votesit'll actually do more then that since bot lane has no fortifications champions that are strong tower takers will rule bot lane and push out anyone who needs that tower especially if jungler shows up once early game, which most will because its suddenly 100% easier to get that first tower gold.
NGNL Asian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KXsdEHlO,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-01-01T19:23:59.127+0000)
it'll actually do more then that since bot lane has no fortifications champions that are strong tower takers will rule bot lane and push out anyone who needs that tower especially if jungler shows up once early game, which most will because its suddenly 100% easier to get that first tower gold.
Exactly, which makes ganking champions like vayne, kog, trist very much worth it, cause nnow that fucking vayne gets to do the bonus damage onto the tower, SHE CAN PUSH MUCH MUCH FASTER
Remlap12232 votesBut the clown Fiesta won't be as easy because of the fortification buff.
Leetri13 votesFortification doesn't really matter for this anyway, most dives don't happen in the first 5 minutes of the game.
Glory ln Death1 voteshttps://media.giphy.com/media/n4oKYFlAcv2AU/giphy.gif
No one seems to understand that...
StealthWarden1 votesno now they have to pick what they want to take first. if they go top then they prioritize early dragon, if they go bot then they prioritize early towers.. furthermore the enemy team can choose and make a disgusting lane swap and make teams have impactful decisions to make at 0:00 - 1:30.
do we go top or bot? if they go top do we swap? can our top laner not feed 1v2? should we give top lane jungle camps to get an exp lead? the list goes on.
i think its a great idea. it will make the rift 3 lanes again.
Nameless Voice31 votesThis would result in top becoming the duo lane and bot becoming the solo lane.
As a somewhat unrelated aside, it would also make the aesthetics of the map a bit strange, since the visual theme of Summoner's Rift is based around corruption spreading from the Baron pit.
NGNL Asian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KXsdEHlO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-01T14:46:28.108+0000)
This would result in top becoming the duo lane and bot becoming the solo lane.
As a somewhat unrelated aside, it would also make the aesthetics of the map a bit strange, since the visual theme of Summoner's Rift is based around corruption spreading from the Baron pit.
no bot duo would switch
Sraeg20132 votesThe whole idea of playing duo bot lane is taking the dragon with 3-4 people with top lane teleporting.
Yes, the duo bot lane would become duo top lane.
ZephyrDrake10 votes[{quoted}](name=NGNL Asian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KXsdEHlO,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-01-01T15:15:16.079+0000)
no bot duo would switch
the entire reason why the duo bot lane exists is because of dragon. If dragon moves top then the duo lane will move top as well otherwise you would just get dragon snuck right under your noses all the time or it'll take even longer for certain junglers to start taking dragons since they rather do it with someone earlier and only bot lane has enough people to accomplish that without severely handicapping the laner if it takes too long or it gets found out
DeynaTaggerung1 votesYes... resulting in the top lane being a duo lane and the bot lane being a solo lane >.<
NGNL Asian1 votesYes... resulting in the top lane being a duo lane and the bot lane being a solo lane >.<
There was a time where the adc can solo top and the sup help the top laner
SolarisCorvus1 votesYou could switch the river artwork around.
Nameless Voice1 votesNot easily, but also the entire map's visual style is based around the location of Baron.
Rather than me trying to explain it, go check out the official Summoner's Rift update video which explained it:
Danjeng11 votesADC and support would just switch positions to top, if that happened.
Titanium707 votesI guess that would start the wohle laneswitching all over again - the team looking for mid-late will send their bot top. The Team looking for an early snowball would send their bot.. well bot.
Nice idea actually - but I don't think it will work as intended.
Champion Skin1 votesMost likely thing to happen is that there will be a 2v2 bot... because if not the team with 2 players bot will likely push hard and take the tower first.... getting them the first tower bonus and they might even be able to recall and get to top to defend it which would also give them the advantage of getting the extra gold from the tower
Though it also depends on how good each of the ADC's are at pushing waves and destroying towers and how good the top laner is at defending
Anidan1 votesI get the feeling that it'll actually happen in a way that bot just moves top to follow the dragon. Top laners generally can't push as well as ADC + Support combined, but that's not the main reason bot is where it is anyway, and bot hasn't been down there for 6 seasons running for nothing. Even during lane-swaps in pro games it was important to take top tower quickly so that dragon wasn't at huge risk of being taken by the team whose 2-man is in bottom lane as well as the map control and objective gold it gave.
Since bot tower isn't fortified for either side, the jungler and mid laner can still show up, kill the now-displaced top laner and push in that tower - several top laners can push well (though not as well as ADC + support for that extra warm body in low levels), and would probably end up being fairly high-value picks if this change went through.
Besides, this could also restore the lane-swapping that was seen in competitive play, and weren't people sick to hell of that? This solution doesn't seem like a good one, honestly.
RisenDarkKnight5 votesThe ENTIRE reason bot lane is the duo lane not top is because it is closer to dragon. The lanes are otherwise the same, so if dragon went top duo lane would as well (at least in competitive play, it might take longer to swap in solo queue).
notice me Sin pi2 votes^ someone actually understands it
Huebone5 votesI know EXACTLY WHY YOU POSTED THIS, you goshdangMordekaiser main, you just want your grubby mits on that dragon, don't you?
ModKnightsKemplar4 votesI liked the idea of buffing Rift Herald more.
You are onto something; that would mix things up, but I feel there are less disruptive ways to do so that will have similar positive effects. This leaves the door open for some extreme zaniness. Maybe would have been a good idea for preseason, but I dunno about now.
theArtifacts4 votesNormally I'm not opposed to your ideas, but this wouldn't change anything except where the duo/solo lanes play.
Marshbouy3 votesI would not be surprised if there is some intrinsic reason why this can't be done, AKA spaghetti code and switching dragon and baron would break the game.
Randomonium3 votesEh, I'd prefer to see them remove fortification from the top tower, add fortification to the bot tower, and, most importantly, make rift herald better. Or if you really want to shake up the meta make it be mid lane that doesn't have fortification to encourage more early roaming.
Swapping dragon and baron is a completely unnecessary change. Hell, the new summoner's rift was designed around Baron pit. That's why the jungle near baron pit is darker and the ground is more broken up while the jungle on dragon's side looks more pristine.
Suspicious Xebra3 votesPeople would just 2v2 top and 1v1 bot. This solution in itself is not viable.
TotalJerk3 votesMetal Imma be honest: this is the most pointless idea you've ever had. The only reason it is even upvoted is because YOU posted it,
SpookyNeedle2 votesDo you secretly want dragon closer to you so it's easier to get as Morde :p
Umbral Regent2 votesIf the idea is to put Dragon up top lane and Baron down bottom lane while keeping Top solo and Bot duo, then hypothetically, that would make the Rift Herald completely useless for the laners who could access it quickest. Granted, it'd be much easier to take down, but the only person who could remotely benefit from it would be the Jungler, since you have to be isolated from your teammates for Rift Herald's buff to work.
Glory ln Death1 votesOr mid-lane.
The Taco Kat2 votesYou just want the Dragon by you when you play Morde top ;)
notice me Sin pi2 votesbot lane has 2+ people to kill in this meta BECAUSE a tower without fortification AND dragon are at bot lane.
Move dragon to top lane. And same problem is only transferred to top lane from bot lane, since 2 people will be going top lane instead of bot lane in that meta.
Tangy Citrus1 votesYes, lets have a 3 man top lane gank happen with a turret dive. There would be really no change to what would happen if the dragon and baron/rift herald switched places on the map. It would just enforce a cc tank meta even more to avoid tower dives onto yourself and getting removed from the game for a while and would discourage almost any kind of squishy champion top. ADC top wouldn't be a thing anymore.
DHBGrimReaper1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tangy Citrus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KXsdEHlO,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-01T14:47:49.479+0000)
Yes, lets have a 3 man top lane gank happen with a turret dive. There would be really no change to what would happen if the dragon and baron/rift herald switched places on the map. It would just enforce a cc tank meta even more to avoid tower dives onto yourself and getting removed from the game for a while and would discourage almost any kind of squishy champion top. ADC top wouldn't be a thing anymore.
Good, we don't need more cancerous ranged champs who deny you cs, can poke you under tower safely, and also outroam and outscale you.
BlackHairedGirl1 votesOR How about Riot move the clown fiesta FAR FAR FAR away from me and my ADC?
Xyntheyxz1 votesIm pretty sure everyone is just going to put their adc and support top and their top bot?
Teridax681 votesThe simpler solution might just be to switch the fortifications, so that bot tower's fortified and top tower isn't. That way, the top laner could take their tower quicker and help other lanes earlier, whereas the current 4-man gank situations in bot lane wouldn't always lead to a tower on top of a potential double kill. Bot lane already has a fairly high base rate of snowballiness, due to how important farm control is for marksmen, and making towers the weakest there just compounds that. By contrast, top lane doesn't need fortifications, since it's generally only the top laner and the jungler who go there.
Beyond that, though, there could probably be even more changes to help with this situation. Tower first blood, for example, has led to really frustrating bot lane situations, in part again because bot towers fall so quickly, and if it continues creating problems after switching up fortification, it should likely be removed, and Riot should look into other ways to make lanes snowballier, in a manner that feels fair and doesn't just make early game champions automatically dominate. The Rift Herald needs adjustments, as it's currently still a really unattractive objective, and I think it might be better to make its bonuses less selfish, so that the entire team has a reason to take it.
StealWolverine1 votesThat pushes it back to lane swapping even more than it used to be.
Teridax681 votesIn that case, then, tower fortifications have failed. There is no functional difference between top and bot lane besides the jungle objectives and tower fortifications, so switching the objectives in the current state would be identical to switching fortifications.
JerulEon1 votesI mean top laners already have a tough time with the new jungle changes. Everyone and their uncle is getting screwed over by the jungle changes. Junglers are just so strong -_-
SlntReaper1 votesDo we want to change such a large gameplay aspect for Mordekaiser? No
TPA Jason1231 votesBut then what about rift herald? Rift Herald is super good especially since it helps the top or mid laner to be able to snow ball their lane. Rift Herald is way better than a drake in the early game.
LatetotheRace2 votesIt will be a more risky thing to get for top laners, or it could be the replacement for the 4 man gank then dragon. (You could also give it to the jg or mid laner.
Vesemir1 votesYou wont fool us that easly. Getting a dragon pet to help u at top lane huh.
Standgrounding1 votesNew meta - ADC and Support run teleport, and top lane runs exhaust. LUL.
Bârd1 votesThat would just make people send the duo lane topside and the toplaner bot.
Maybe Singed, Heim, Quasus and the like become picked more to push the unfortified turret.
Maybe junglers would gank their solo side laner more, but it is more likely that they would still camp the duo lane for easy dragons.
All it really does is make people give Rift Herald to the jungler more, since the duo laners can't use it, mid probably won't use it, and the solo side laner isn't even close to it.
dim2a1 votesThese ideas will not work (as long as we want LCS games to be played by the same rule as flex queue games), because if we make top lane more important, we'll be back to lane-swap meta (which WAS kinda boring) -- the whole reason for the FB tower change and botlane no fortification is to avoid lane-swap meta. If we decided that lane-swap OK, those could be removed, and bot-is-more-imprtant problem would largely go away, without need for second dragon or dragon-baron swap.
So the decision is, do we want to have lane swaps in LCS, and top lane about as important as bot, or do we want to have no lane swap in LCS (most of the time at least) and botlane more important than top?
The Yetii Rider1 votesThe whole reason they removed Fortification from bot was to encourage pros to 2v2 bot. With so much to lose, the pros have finally gone back to standard lanes.
Now, the real solution is to balance LCS completely separately from live, so that all of us aren't affected by the top .01% of players. But Riot won't do that because they want players to feel like they can mimic the pros.
PhDs Nuts1 votesThis wouldn't change anything. The duo lane would just move top.
