What are your thoughts on frozen mallet?

abca98·Mar 11, 2017·8 votes·1,477 views

Do you think that the permaslow effect is too annoying, or do you find it bearable? In my opinion, when champs like buy it they become INCREDIBLY cancerous due to their own natural movement speed and kiting capacities. (even after that build was nerfed) would be another example, even though he is incredibly mobile and gains MS with (like, seriously guys. Yasuo already has enough tools to reach his objective to also just stick to them without giving them opportunity to escape). I get the purpose of the item is to add some cc to champs that lack it, but in some cases it just becomes too annoying. That said, what do you think?

29 Comments

DreadlocksMar 11, 20174 votes

Looks like you are looking for an argument more than a debate lol.

abca98Mar 11, 20174 votes

If I wanted an argument, i would use caps and not ask for opinions. This post would be much more like: THIS ITEM IS SO GODDAMN OP, RIOT, ERASE THIS ERROR FROM THE GAME AND PLEASE ERASE YASUO IN THE PROCESS TOO. Instead, Im asking if it really has a purpose or is something pointless.

DreadlocksMar 11, 20172 votes

You opened up the thread showing you are going to be very biased regardless.

abca98Mar 11, 20175 votes

Stating my opinion doesn't mean that I won't listen to other's opinion...?

5000000000000000Mar 12, 20171 votes

Who doesn't have bias lol

AlistarMilkingMar 11, 20174 votes

I hate this fucking item, they gutted my main because of it

item 3070 Gnar

Sire HippingtonMar 12, 20173 votes

Just like rylais, it's design is be default toxic. If it would use the 'Energized' mechanic it could be a nice item though. But potentially giving permaslow is not something an item should be capable off(which is why i think riot has done a really poor job on rylais). As soon as the item is any good, it becomes snowbally and opressive in 1v1 situations, as 1 hit means you no longer can escape the fight, and if you can't win the fight that means your dead.

SpoofghoulMar 11, 20172 votes

i build it on Sion sometimes if i want to have a passive

AmazoXMar 12, 20171 votes

Lmao.

Blue Moon WolfMar 12, 20172 votes

I kind of find it odd that people complain about item 3022 and it's slow but don't say anything about item 3071 and it's MS increase. On top of the MS boost, it has a more damage, 20% CDR that any champ can utilize and reduces your armor 5% per hit, up to 30%. I'm not saying I have an issue with it myself, just that it seems strange people will complain about a slow that lets a champ with natural ms catch them when a ms boost would pretty much do the same thing.

SilverSlayer425Mar 12, 20172 votes

i think it's because of the difference between the feeling of being debuffed and the feeling of the enemy getting buffed. the feeling of being debuffed sucks (as it should, because you are losing strength) whereas the feeling of the enemy being buffed is negligible, because as a character, you are not losing strength.

crazyleb505Mar 12, 20173 votes

One thing to remember is that slowing the enemy with mallet helps your entire team get a pick or kill. One person sped up is not as scary as being slowed when 5 are chasing you.

Asayake 5150glowMar 12, 20171 votes

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I kind of find it odd that people complain about and it's slow but don't say anything about and it's MS increase. On top of the MS boost, it has a more damage, 20% CDR that any champ can utilize and reduces your armor 5% per hit, up to 30%. I'm not saying I have an issue with it myself, just that it seems strange people will complain about a slow that lets a champ with natural ms catch them when a ms boost would pretty much do the same thing.

Because Phage is a flat 20 MS boost while FM is 30% to 40%? You do realize... 20 MS is about 5%? By itself, you won't be catching anything.

Troll for TrumpMar 12, 20171 votes

It's fine for a champ to recieve buffs through items or abilities that gives more options to the player.

Adding a blink or dash, or any new mechanic(such as Ivern's Q) gives more variety.

But it's really not fun for people to LOSE out on the options they have. People lose out on what they can do with cc, hard or soft.

Would it be more fun for everyone to have +20 ms, or for everyone to be permaslowed?

FalconPawwwwnchMar 12, 20172 votes

Needs to be hella reduced for ranged champs

Otherwise it's fine

Only other champ who uses it is yasuo

Gamer LifeMar 11, 20171 votes

I think its fine how it is, if it get messed with then pit will pros be a useless item and champs that need will have nothing

abca98Mar 11, 20171 votes

What champs would build it as a core item?

Gamer LifeMar 11, 20171 votes

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What champs would build it as a core item?

Gnar, teemo if you build ad and any other champs that dont have cc

AmazoXMar 12, 20171 votes

Its a niche item, Let's keep it that way before it becomes one of those items that gets gutted or gets hot fixed.

Asayake 5150glowMar 12, 20172 votes

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What champs would build it as a core item?

It should be a melee only item for Shyvana Skarner and other juggernauts who have a hard time reaching a target, but should be able to stick there once they reach their target.

I'd also like the slow to be weaker against melee champions, because their difficulty in catching their target means nothing if their target is running at them and looking to fight them. That gives melees a chance to duel, when they're ahead. Already not many melees can kite. The slow would really hurt them.

normie sIayerMar 11, 20171 votes

delete it lol

sobi999Mar 11, 20171 votes

do you even know how bad Teemo Gnar are currently doing? Teemo has a decent winrate only because of a very very dedicated playerbase whereas gnar has been weak for so many patches.

AmazoXMar 12, 20171 votes

The point the OP is trying to make that its annoying, That's all.

SlashStrikerMar 11, 20171 votes

I personally prefer mixed defence like item 3742 item 3143 <= these give you slow, item 3102 item 3065 item 3068

Altho i think they can make item 3022 FM stackable slow instead insta slow just because its permanent slow

Its All SkillzzMar 12, 20171 votes

i picked Vayne top and enemy went Darius and i rushed frozen mallet and he afked.

Twitch ChatMar 12, 20171 votes

its a garbage item and gnar is a shit hero because he relies on it

HawkefireMar 12, 20171 votes

Frankly if they made the item melee-only they would solve the vast majority of potential abuse cases.

There certainly will still be instances where champions can abuse the item (such as Yasuo), but they should be isolated examples that could be nerfed by individual changes rather than nerfing the item.

A Bad NasusMar 12, 20171 votes

delete it

LankPantsMar 12, 20171 votes

IMO it should be melee only. The worst abuse cases for the item are certainly the ranged users and simply making it melee only would fix 90% of its issues.

If it proves to be problematic on Yasuo again I'd look at a targeted specific nerf, something like "Passive disabled for 1.5 seconds after using a dash, jump or blink".