"With Power and precision..." Riot on Ashe

Mira Arya Enthe··60 votes·4,497 views

"Wth each arrow she fires from her ancient ice-enchanted bow, Ashe proves she is a master archer. She chooses each target carefully, waits for the right moment, and then strikes with power and precision. It is with this same vision and focus that she pursues her goal of uniting the tribes of the Freljord and forging them into a mighty nation."

Now if only Ashe played anything like this beautiful description. But I never feel like a Frost Ranger playing Ashe. Instead it is Pew...pew...pew...pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpepwepwepwepwpewpewpepwepwe hitting 3 targets at a time 2.5 times a second.

This gameplay does not at all match her character, it matches Jinx who has the machine gun and loves chaos. But it's just a fantasy, a gameplay fantasy... It honestly reminds me of her old passive, sadly it ran out of date(it was garbage), but instead of giving her something up to date that functioned similarly or fulfilled her theme well, they gave her multi-target machine gunning hypercarry AS steroid.

EDIT: As Shadow noted I didn't make any suggestion, as I felt a suggestion would interfere with the general complaint. But here is a cheap one. It isn't my only idea, it may also be a bad idea so take it with a grain of salt relative to the general purpose of this post. I am just making a suggestion so there is one here.

I was thinking, what if Ashe's Q was some sort of focus mechanic, where activating it began to focus(either in general or on a specific target), then her next basic attack(in general or vs that target) gains bonus range, damage and slow strength or armor pen based on how long she channeled before attacking (0-3.5s). If fully focused she gets like a cool sound distortion/breathing effect and her screen gets a bit frosty. The buff will last until her next basic attack or 5 seconds(meaning she cannot just hold onto this forever she has to plan in advance and use it, meaning enemies can play not only around the channel but the CD). To compensate her general DPS, her passive could receive a small buff, and the 0s charge could be not totally worthless on her Q so she can still DPS, not quite as well as currently but still decently. And instead she gets a whole, focused ranger feeling.

For counterplay reasons enemies could even see when Ashe's Q is focused and potentially the channel could be canceled by CC, more counterplay than her current Q at least. Since it only lasts a max of 5s and the cooldown could begin when she uses it, they can play around the CD similar to Jhin reloads or Annie stuns if she wastes it. I feel this would fit Ashe more thematically, be more fun to use and give her very dynamic and deep gameplay.

The idea would be you can activate it in advance of a fight to get a big opening burst of damage "She chooses each target carefully, waits for the right moment, and then strikes with power and precision." Or during DPS fights you can activate it and use it at 0s charge to still get a small damage/dps boost on your next AA.

98 Comments

500000000000000047 votes

"I only need one shot" Pew...pew...pew...pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpepwepwepwepwpewpewpepwepwe

All Day Tay Tay7 votes

her original passive WAY back in my day, was that she created stacks by being out of combat. on her next auto, it would use all the stacks and give that first auto that much crit chance. the idea was that late game your first shot would be a guaranteed crit, so you would be in the lead from the beginning. then they changed it to charging while out of combat, and once it hit 100 you would get a guaranteed crit. both ways are very "one shot" type. the quote is just old files left over. like kassadins joke

Lùmen3 votes

SILENCE INTERRUPT! - Kassadin

FastAsHeck1 votes

Man, I remember playing sona support with ashe adc and hiding in the bottom bush, when the enemy walked up we would surprise them with ahse passive + power chord burst and get first blood, fun times

Rozzeta2 votes

I only need one shot ... to hit out of these 8 arrows I'm launching at once.

LSmaster161 votes

I only need one shot and I'm going to keep firing until I figure out which one it is

MunchCrunchLunch8 votes

thats the problem with the stat ATTACK SPEED most games I played have no such stat. there is no shit as attack speed. and attack speed is by far the unhealthliest most hardest to balance stat in this whole game and it (in my opinion) should not exist

a champion attack speed should be thematic to what kind of weapon they have. varus and ashe have arrows. slow attacks but long range. Jinx mini gun. high attack speed. just does not make any sense for attack speed to be a purchaseable stat

caitlyn has as niper rifle. buys 2.5 attack speed. ? trynd has a giant heavy sword that he can barely move. 2.5 attack speed.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

While I agree to some extent, Riot isn't removing AS anytime soon. The better thing to do for now is start reworking kits to be more thematic and fun while remaining balanced. There are about 95 champions at least who need this more than Ashe, but I posted this for fun.

Golden Tager X7 votes

It used to be like that, I miss those days, when you would wait and then come out with a guaranteed crit.

ShadowParker10 votes

Yeah.. except it was trash

Photos of Ghosts4 votes

Hey, back when 100% crit was a rarity I actually dueled Vaynes like that xD

Raiku Kawisa6 votes

It would be nice if Riot balanced with lore/character instead of just gameplay

Faceroll Tactics31 votes

Riot does balance with lore.

All of Jhins abilities have 4 tied in somehow Vi is incredibly headstrong, so her ult isn't cancelled by CC Lucians second shot doesn't do full damage because he is using his wife's gun and his, and hasn't mastered hers yet Sion grows stronger with each fight lore wise, so he gets health on every kill in game

Melledoneus19 votes

Shen is a multi-dimensional guardian, so he carries around a giant floating ghost version of his father's sword that somehow empowers him enough when pulled through an enemy to bring out a spectral sword.

Seems fitting.

GULAG 4 U12 votes

Aatrox is this bloody God of war....

Who leads people into battle.

Oh wait, but he can't engage for shit. LUL.

blueberrypancake2 votes

He has one of the best secondary engages in the game tho

GULAG 4 U1 votes

yeah. I am aware of that. I'm just being a bit hyperbolic for the memes.

blueberrypancake1 votes

Sorry I was just being a low gold triggered aatrox player

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I'm just hyping for the aatrox rework tbh.

blueberrypancake1 votes

I just hope they don't take away his death fodder aspect

TurquoiseYoshi16 votes

Shen is a ninja, so his kit revolves around going into the middle of the fight and letting people hit him. Very fitting.

TotalJerk6 votes

Historically this actually makes sense. There were ninja in a squad responsible for creating diversions while their fellow squadmates carried out the mission. This is probably why Shen has a taunt.

Placentas2 votes

Aww, I didn't know that about Lucian. That's an awesome detail.

AstroFerrari 4 votes

Shouldn't Aurelion Sol be obliterating everything without much effort? He's literally a God lmao

3TWarrior6 votes

then there's illaoi and malphite

Pantheon was pretty much a god

Nasus and Renekton

Xerath basically achieved unlimited power

Syndra : I made a golf joke about her the other day where she got a hole in one...planet and moved on to the next

Tryndamere : learned how to defy death with his anger

Zilean isn't he a time god?

Jax : can't call him anything but a god of battle when he had to intentionally limit himself for winning every league competition single-handedly before using the lamppost as a self-imposed restriction.

and that's it I think

Lùmen2 votes

Nagakabouros

3TWarrior1 votes

who?

Veltox3 votes

Illaoi 'Your savior'

PePsiLemoNN1 votes

Lucian's second shot does full damage to minions :P

Shadòw3 votes

well she has her slow and her Ult which are both great to lock down a single enemy. especially her Ult does fulfill her theme.

but the more important question, what do you want her to be like? you just say what they got wrong, but make no actual suggestions.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

There, added a suggestion just for u bb <3

Shadòw2 votes

i actually really like the direction in which it is going.

the charge combined with her Ult could definitely create some interesting gameplay that fits her lore. charging up Q, picking out the target with Ult and unleashing the Q empowered attack sounds like a good combo where she would really have to carefully pick out her target.

problem is that ashe's kit is in a pretty decent spot right now and there are other champs who need work more so we probably won't see any big changes to Ashe soon.

chipndip13 votes

Issue is that marksmen don't exactly get the time to not shoot shit.

I still like the idea of turning Ashe a bit from DPS to something more tactical. She's the utility marksman. Her strength in utility should feel a bit more...emphasized.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

Ashes kit should be similar to jhins. Not the traditional adc. I'd make ashes autos skill shots or something funky like that tbh.

Aeszarck1 votes

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Ashes kit should be similar to jhins. Not the traditional adc. I'd make ashes autos skill shots or something funky like that tbh.

She's one of the beginner marksmen though, so not only will that not prepare new players for playing traditional marksmen, it will be a more difficult learning experience.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

who cares let another marksman be the beginner adc or better yet no one just let new players play who they want and experiment with what they think is easy

Incarceration1 votes

Isn't Sivir the better beginner adc? She lets people learn how to farm by just waveclearing.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

yah sivir is pretty much easy AF even after being updated god knows how many times

Papa Andrei2 votes

This makes me think of Michael Meyers from Dead by Daylight.

John Senna12 votes

This is awesome, take this ^

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

well my idea would be something like this Passive Rangers focus: ashe's auto now have a channel time dependent on how long you hold down the mouse her autos now deal damage depending on how long she channels this would then scale off her attack speed crit chance and ad like Jhin passive her Q now is frost shot and its basically her old passive but now on top of slowing people she autos after X amount of seconds of not using her auto attack her next shot freezes the target

Yi Bencheikh2 votes

compare her to something like Warwick
When you play him you can actually feel the same way he does , understand his character it is just so fitting.. A wolf that attacks faster , Run so fast towards injured ennemies and scare them with his howl and Rengar Braum Illaoi Yasuo Jhin Sion and some more , ashe overall just looks so fkin outdated when compared with those honorable mentions Nunu Tryndamere

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Sadly a lot of people think that ADC, a class with a low entry bar, needs an ADC with an extremely low entry bar(my suggestion would still have a low entry bar but shrug) and therefore never want her to change(despite that she already did). Even though most players I know started the game, looked down the champion list, said "This one looks fun!" and bought it. Or played what was on free week, not Ashe or Garen.

Yi Bencheikh1 votes

i would only play ashe with her PROJECT skin otherwise no she is just so boring the same way the old warwick was i do think it is just boring to stay most of the game just pew pew pew pew pew pew pew look at Jhin he has 4 diffirent poses when auto attacking while Ashe just stands still like a pillar and pew pew pew , and if you are in early game i feel like the game is running in slow motion when playing with Ashe other than her project skin I just think that her dead boring gameplay is why noone plays her my opinion is that they should just rework her to make her feel more like a ranger than a pillar which shoot arrows Oh and her arrows sound fucking sucks . i hope you catch my meaning

Shikigami1 votes

I really like how Ashe is right now. I like the champion and the Q being a flurry of arrows at the same place after "focusing" on the target seems pretty accurate in terms of her design. Legit, the grand majority of boards members are Bronze/Silver and Low gold, for the love of god stop trying to rebalance/rework champions, you guys don't understand shit about game design/balance.

Mira Arya Enthe6 votes

Skill at game =/= understanding game design Skill at game =/= understanding lore/gameplay disconnects Skill at game =/= understanding fun

I never said anything about balance in this post so ignoring that one.

Gnarcotic Abuser4 votes

Personally I think it doesn't matter what rank you are when it comes to balance. If something is obviously broken it doesn't take a diamond 4 to see that. I'm barely even bronze and I can see that frozen mallet isn't healthy but according to your statement, I have no clue about balance and therefore i shouldn't say that it's broken because I don't know anything.

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