@Meddler, Regarding Mordekaiser's state post-Rylais

Malicious Metal··62 votes·3,779 views

Stats aren't everything, but last I checked (yesterday) Morde was still sitting slightly above 50% on average in top and around 49% in mid after the Rylai's change. Win rate for experienced Morde players was substantially higher.

That's not to say we won't do anything for Morde until a VGU of course. In particular if something actually puts him in a really** bad spot performance wise we'd want to help him out. So far though we're not seeing any evidence the Rylai's change has done that however. As above it has hit some champs hard enough we'll potentially hotfix them rather than waiting for a normal patch. Morde doesn't seem to have been affected much overall though, possibly in part because few people with Rylai's and a weaker Rylai's slow's a more favourable environment **for him.

So, I get that you're hesitant in buffing Mordekaiser but I feel you're looking at it the wrong angle.

Fact is, Mordekaiser's win rate did drop, which was expected, yet with such a low pick rate that sample size has always to be taken with a grain of salt. OBJECTIVELY Rylais changes were a direct nerf to Mordekaiser seeing that he lost the stats and slow percentage, thus having him get less stats later on as well as him losing some of his sticking potential.

Which leads me to the main concern here. Mordekaiser still wins games, that's for sure, hell, even Urgot wins games. Statistically speaking his win rate only dropped a little bit but we have to look beyond that.

You see, playing Mordekaiser has become a lot less consistent. A lot of kills are lost because of him being unable to stick and the lower stats effectively gimped his late game, the point where (in the 6.1 Patch notes) you said his high point should be.

The issue right now is how AWFUL he feels to play currently, a lot of frustration stemming from how he's not allowed to do his thing. It's frustrating and does leave a sour taste in your mouth seeing that Pre-nerf I would have been able to get those kills and turned the situation around.

Now Mordekaiser is totally Hit or Miss; You either completely DOMINATE or you fail, the discrepancy between high point and low point has gotten a lot more noticeable, which makes playing him a lot less enjoyable.

I was really optimistic about these changes, seeing that it could bring your attention back to him and rebalance him a bit, shifting some power and giving him some love so that he can actually feel really good to play as and not feel like a complete joke at times.

I know, I know, he was not completely gutted in terms of performance but holy moly does it feel awful to see ANY champ with even the slightest bit of Mobility (speedup, zeal items, soft cc) outrun you and you being unable to stick once you're on top of them does feel rather annoying.

Not only this but the lower Rylais slow does force him to buy Protobelt almost every damn game, skewing his otherwise rather versatile build path.

So yeah, keep and eye on him but don't just go by statistics, because we all know that statistics wise Azir should be buffed A LOT.

64 Comments

Sona x Rubick19 votes

He belives that morde was buffed because mages can't use rylai against him

i really don't know how one can believes that when morde won against mages everytime except against lane bully mages

EROTIC RAID BOSS6 votes

its a legitimate point. in team fights with a lot less permaslowing going on, you gotta say that that's a big benefit to mordekaiser.

I don't know if it offsets losing the extra 20% slow or not, but I will say that chances are good their data is pretty dependable, probably a lot moreso than a site like champion.gg

Sona x Rubick6 votes

just because rylai was nerfed doesn't morde won't be permaslowed anymore

today everyone their grandmother, and their dog have either knock ups, slows, or both, or something else. look at cancer Ivern , good thing his slow is being nerfed

Swarmer1 votes

rylais was nerfed so bronzes and silvers stop using it, because it was useless item in top tier for like past 3 years.

xWaters16 votes

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rylais was nerfed so bronzes and silvers stop using it, because it was useless item in top tier for like past 3 years.

Every Elo used rylais. The fuck are you saying?

Haunt15 votes

Didn't you say you would quit? What happened?

Mr Noggenfogger7 votes

If I remember correctly, he said that he'd quit if morde was dumpstered, which, as he said in this post, was not

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

So just another useless rant for exactly nothing? Like morde is the ONLY champ who is hit or miss. Who dominates or gets shit on. Holy moly some guys really should take of their fanboy goggles. Every fucking day another post about the same topic, with exactly the same "blablablabla" we already heard.

Muddafragot5 votes

I don't see anything wrong with a Morde main posting about Morde frequently. Seems like an obvious matter of course, really.

Shaponja2 votes

kog'maw was gutted but you dont see anyone talking about him, myself included KogMaw

Big Lincoln2 votes

I see a rebonack thread every other day though

Muddafragot1 votes

You just did. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

falldown0101 votes

jokes aside, kog maw is still strong, but needs a front tank, to keep him safe morde is one of those who has to get in range, or he wont able to fight back

gnar with a frozen mallet is a good example, a good gnar can kite morde so badly,to the point where he takes 0 damadge, assuming morde has no ghost

chubs12241 votes

I made a post about the nerf on his e killing a play style I missed for all of season 6 without getting enough compensation to make him viable as an adc in exchange. So I did make a post about it at one point.

ShaolinToilet9 votes

Please stop shitposting.

INoble KnightI10 votes

The man has valid points.

Zero Skill Tank4 votes

Usually. Definitely not this time.

INoble KnightI5 votes

I mean I see where he's coming from on his points so I understand them.

Mistress Madoka5 votes

"This isn't my favourite kind of thread so it's automatically Shitposting"

ShaolinToilet1 votes

Making 10 qq threads a day is shitposting.

Mistress Madoka1 votes

Then you'll be please to know he only makes like, 2-3 QQ threads per WEEK at max

Pony Montana6 votes

do you ever think meddler gets really fucking annoyed at you because you make the same thread about morde every day

Count Zubat4 votes

Why would he be annoyed? We don't even know if he reads all of them, it's not like he has to read any of the posts that appear on these boards.

Mistress Madoka7 votes

Or Maybe Meddler Really enjoys the Constructive Feedback instead of "omfg rito wtf u doin"

XxxLumberJackxxX5 votes

What @medddler and riot need to consider is how well morde does in a meta centered around divers and assassins. Sine everyone is coming to him he can do his job. When the meta shifts morde will be shit.

ShaolinToilet3 votes

Assassins aren't very good right now and the ones that are do not stay in melee range

ACENOX1 votes

they are half popular, half of my morde games are against katarina that i destroy

Sassmast3r5 votes

Glad to see you're back making posts again :D yet another good post, have my up vote.

Jbels4 votes

I don't know how many other Morde mains or (like myself) former morde mains feel the same way as me, but I would rather just have old Morde back with the new VFX on E and W. This new Morde has so many problems that old Morde didn't. Morde used to be a lane bully once upon a time (WE USED TO COUNTER AHRI IN MID LANE FFS)

Hella Kaiser1 votes

i miss my morde mid full ap :(

KnightOfEloHell2 votes

I have been playing without rylias since the nerf. Stormraiders, ghost, and flash to make up for Rylias. Play passive, ward a lot, and build mostly damage and 1 or two tank items.

The damage items are defsive offensive items like Maw, mercurial, and abysmall

Or pen if needed

The Blue Rajah1 votes

How's triforce?

Mordepool4 votes

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How's triforce?

A lot of Power you can't apply to the enemy: my thoughts on triforce

chubs12241 votes

You would think the phage would help a lot

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Blue Rajah,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KV22dXZL,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2016-12-10T18:44:30.601+0000)

How's triforce?

I haven't been building triforce either, although when I used to, the utility you get from it IS nice, and I'll build it later to see. I feel triforce is if I plan to play like a typical morde-esque juggernaut, using steraks, titanic, rylias, and liandries. You know, to have decent hp and focus on Dps.

Rather, I have been playing without Rylias since the nerf running builds like this:

Gunblade, Steraks, Randys, Maw, Abysmal, and boots.

I rush gunblade instead of rylias now, more often than not. I make it to where I have the Durability to not be blown up, yet still get defensive AND offensive stats from items like Zhoynas, maw, and abysmall.

So unlike other juggernauts who build hp items and damage, I build Damage items that give resistances. Like a reverse juggernaut, so to speak. I only build Randuins and Deadmans to acually make it to the enemy adc for adc ghost, since I don't have rylias.

Let me tell you, it IS nice if you know how to play Mord. You can build anything on him.

I went against a cho top, rusjed dominiks and BotrK, and whooped his ass like NOTHING. So funny.

You have to build Mord for who you play against.

Tl,dr: I only use triforce against mobile team comps for MS, and AS to get q off for the few seconds they are close.

Penta Penguin2 votes

He is getting a VGU

Do you really want them to sink resources into pointless interim updates ?

Go away

Stars Shaper1 votes

If his VGU was given higher priority since the nerfs to Rylai made him even elss playable we wouldn't have much to complain.

Ulquiorra9951 votes

Adding, say, 15 to a single integer value and seeing how that turns out ain't exactly rocket science. I doubt it'd take more resources than 10 seconds needed to change a single line in code.

And IMO getting from 325 move speed to 340 is the only thing Morde needs now. He was left with terrible base speed because he could build Swifties, TF and Rylais to compensate. Now 2 of those 3 got nerfed, and Morde getting same move speed as other juggernauts would be pretty fair.

AthenasVendetta1 votes

Idk, having not really played with morde alot recently I think he is still is a fairly okayish spot. Agreed his main problem is sticking to a champion but god help the poor kid that tries to duel. I still favor his bruiser build more than anything. Sometimes I get the protobelt however mostly I never really need it and the same goes for Rylais.

But then again I run flash ghost because you will not escape me. Sure did I lose some? Yeah. Get set back? Sure. But in these you have to look at the fact that I was repeatedly ganked without support from anything. I would destroy the laner themselves even after the gank... Irelia took a 4-6k gold difference to even defeat me. Even then... Consistently farming and maintaining the attitude of "I will crush your soul" would always pay off even if I was dicking off with a Titanic Hydra.

In the end my builds can go either way. I can say if they modded the COC mastery for him dear mother of god mordekaiser would be broke as fuck.

In the end I think if they push this guy wrong without looking into it properly he could be the most broke thing to hit the rift.

For me Illaoi has somewhat the same problem but in the end the attitude of them differ by the the champ style. Illaoi is more of Bring your friends... Where morde is oh friends? Fuck them too.

Because me taking Ghost solves most of the champions getting away... pesky ezreals. Right Now my builds are somewhat the same I think....

item 3078 item 3053 item 3742 item 3009 item 3001 item 3151

The last three items change... item 3111 item 3116 item 3152 item 3135

I have fucked around too...item 3748 Yeah, not the best but it was funny.

I agree he does have a problem sticking to people... But I think the items are his biggest problem followed by awkward masteries.

I just give him ghost and godforbid your adc steps to close or you wanna try to duel me.

A Liberal1 votes

Did morde get played in LCS or the AST bullshit? I've had a jungle Morde on my team three times in the past couple days, as opposed to literally never having seen him before.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

Personally, I think the only buff Morde needs is a MS buff. It is still very possible to be playing Mord, have full boots early, only to be outran by anyone with basic boots.

You compensate not having Rylias by taking stormraiders, ghost, and flash, you have NO other option because of the Rylias nerf. Those 3 give you windows of time to make fast plays after you have poked down the enemy. Mord is a late game champ, so I see no reason to get Rylias anymore. It's still hard to play without Rylias, but replace Rylias with a tank item like Randies.

To make up for bad hp regen I take biscuits mastery and the mastery that gives 200% hp regen below 30% hp. These two help me survive, although not being able to take the mastery for CDR on summoner spells make me sad.

Berserkers Greaves and Gunblade rush remindes me of building Ravenous Hydra on Olaf. Nice damage, nice sustain, nice active.

Existential Bard1 votes

Do you think Frozen Mallet would help supplement the Rylai's slow?

The Governer2 votes

No, because slows don't stack. The strongest slow always prevails.

SweedishGunner1 votes

I'd really like to know what the Rylais nerf did to Azir and Vladimir

HazyCloud71 votes

I think it would be helpful if you cited specific statistics and reiterated the changes you believe Mordekaiser should receive. I know you have in many other threads but it doesn't hurt to do so again and arguments backed up by factual evidence & proposed solutions are always stronger.

Also I think you two might as well add each other skype at this point lol.

AS I LAY FEEDING1 votes

Jesus christ the nerf is 10x better than pre-nerf Rylai. You get more gold to buy something else and snowball with.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Morde wont get buffed very much past a 50% until he gets a much bigger rework because TBH his kit is horrendous, he's a walking glass cannon that bursts the shit out of you or gets kited and killed in 2 seconds. His kit is either ridiculously frustrating or useless.

i'd say he's in need for more of a rework then Warwick but WW already getting on in a month or so.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Meanwhile Taliyah gets overbuffed in her more brainless skill of the entire kit.

Ulquiorra9951 votes

One change that should have been a no-brainer for morse: 340 base MS.

Think about it for a bit: what is the reason Morde has terrible base MS, even compared to other juggernauts' 340? The reasoning they gave is that he could build three items to stick to his opponents, thus justifying his low speed: item 3009 item 3078 item 3116.

Of those three items, two got nerfed heavily. So the reason they had to make Morde horrendously slow simply isn't there anymore. Just make him as fast as other Juggernauts and he will probably be fine.

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