Ashe nerfs seem on point; Jhin's not so much

TheOvermind··1 votes·877 views

Ashe, a utility carry with mediocre damage, does pretty insane amounts of damage (especially on her q) Nerfing her damage seems appopriate.

Jhin on the other hand is just getting random nerfs on ult cd, removing his cd refund, w ad ratio etc. These are pointless nerfs that won't fix any of Jhin's problems:

He is too strong early, when by desigb he is supposed to be at his weakest. -look at q cd, -attack range -reload speed Early

He goes ad/ armor pen instead of ad/crit -ult synergises poorly with crit (pen makes it way stronger) -crit makes his early/mid game too unreliable (he shouldn't have a choice though)

  • ghosblade active > every moment matters

I've suggested this before :

  • reduce attack range to 500 from 550 -increase q cd early -longer reload early, shorter late (2.5 flat => 3-2 s , based on level)
  • allow all ult shots to crit but for reduces crit damage . -reduce the crit penalty on his autos

Now he is weaker early, scales very well late and has true incentive to build crit.

16 Comments

Rivuo4 votes

Jhin is fucked. They need to remove his slow on his ults. He has way too much utility + damage

''OHH BOY RELOAD SYSTEM DER DUR DERR''

yeah last i fuckin checked Graves and Jhin only needed about 2 autos to kill you anyway

Depárt2 votes

Jhin isn't supposed to be weak early, he's an early - mid game focused adc.

Lategame is where he's supposed to get outshined by other carries due to him being mostly burst.

TheOvermind1 votes

wrong

Depárt2 votes

If you feel I'm wrong than go ahead and try to prove your point, almost all adcs will quickly out dps him lategame due to his reload, fixed attack speed and weakened crits.

Late game he serves as mostly utility with burst damage and executes.

DemainaNyx1 votes

If Jhin can't kill you in 4 shots, yeah, he loses to the DPS ADCs. Still, if Jhin gets 4 shots and/or abilities on an ADC late game, most of the time they are dead.

Depárt2 votes

Jhin takes over 4 seconds to get 4 autos off at level 18, if the adcs are even close to even item wise, jhin will lose the 1v1 every single time, assuming equal skill ofcourse.

Jhin is all about hard hitting, he falls off later.

TheOvermind1 votes

It's simple math (rough numbers giving you a simple understanding of elegant in trying to say) :

In 10 seconds kogmaw gets 50 autos off that each does like 200 dmg

Caitlyn would get off 20 autos off in that time each doing like 550 dmg

Jhin gets 15 Autos off each doing like 1500 dmg

Pretty much the same dps . You can't argue that he has low dps because of static atk speed and reloads, when those few shots he gets off hit like freight trains. A well built Jhin late game will have 900- 1000 AD. Not only will his crits hit like trucks, but the ad ratios from his abilities benefits from this insane amount of ad a lot.

Depárt1 votes

These numbers are generally way off, items would have to be skewed all over the place and these would be crit numbers for the most part, meaning it's not a fair comparison.

For example, a Kog'Maw with just item 3091 can do more than 200 per auto past level 9 with fervor stacked all the way up.

A late game Caitlyn with a typical adc crit build would likely only do that kind of damage per auto with fervor stacked all the way up and a crit or headshot. She also doesn't often reach 2.0 attack speed, even with double zeal items.

Jhin doesn't get near 15 autos off in 10 seconds as his attack speed never goes past .94.

Even when extremely fed against super squishy targets, Jhin is unlikely to hit that high unless he executes a 1hp target, at which point that massive damage is useless.

This is not factoring in many things in team fighting that hinder your dps. Kiting, maintaining positioning, chasing, target swapping to name a few, all slow down your dps.

Jhin will also almost never get that high ad in a realistic game and his attack speed and reload ABSOLUTELY DO significantly lower his dps.

Don't ever try to argue a point with false numbers, those aren't rough numbers, they're just made up.

BloodyTompon1 votes

His DPS is significantly lower than others later because of his static AS.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

Jhin is fine

FantasySniper1 votes

His ult is oppressive. It deals a shit ton of damage while still applying a ton of CC.

Aptest1 votes

i do not know whether jhin needs or do not need a nerf.

however, if there is a need for a nerf, this is what I think:

jhin has an intended weakness which is reloading.

however he is able to cast spells while reloading and in this way cover the reload timer.

having the reload timer reset if jhin casts spells while reloading is a good nerf.

it means jhin cannot get out of having 2.5 seconds of inaction by weaving in spells at the right time.

Sightless661 votes

That nerf is terribly designed because it is needlessly annoying to play with. You're basically forcing people into taking no actions during a reload timer even though that runs completely contrary to every instinct they have as a league of legends player, and your punishment is giving them an inconsistent timer on something that should be very, very consistent. Everything about that is way, way more annoying than it has to be relative to the amount of power it reduces.

Jhin being able to cast abilities during his downtime is a good thing. That's an intended part of his design. It takes what could be a very annoying downside, and gives you a way to lower how much you are affected by it. It gives people a way to optimize their play, and it's a large factor in why his design is fun despite having unique downsides. It's there for a reason.

If we want to nerf Jhin, we can just take some power away. There is no reason whatsoever to go stripping functionality from his kit.

Catastrop1 votes

This is flat out gutting him.

Bhagswag1 votes

Yeah, no.

Let's make all other adc's shots spread because of the recoil/inaccuracy that their fire rates should give them.

Then I'll be fine with this Jhin 'nerf".

Mannysmoker1 votes

For the most part I play Jhin buying crit items and sometimes item 3147 item 3142, I wasn't expecting him to get so popular but whoever says Jhin is OP should really reconsider his mind or actually play him to see how he feels rather than just because i got killed in one in a game, so i jump to the boards and point out how OP he is....I swear this ppl need to stop being blind sheeps going to the slaughter house.....

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