Thoughts on PAX South: Adding to Quinn's utility without breaking top lane Quinn.

LostFr0st··1 votes·617 views

So, first I will start by saying I was introduced to League by my brother, who has played Quinn Quinn for a very long time. Due to this, I have played her both as adc and top myself, and feel that her ult is quite risky for its utility and damage output. After the PAX south discussion on increasing her utility, I came up with the following:

Proposed Abilities As Valor: -Q-Marks target -W-Heightened senses active marks all champions in range; however she can only go in on one champion -E-no longer marks targets (cooldown is refreshed upon first ult activation if on cooldown) -R-no change So her new combo would be: R W E eAA Q eAA R

The following is rough math so if you don't care for calculations, summoner 4skip the next section


The problem with Quinn is how her ult damage compares to her ranged form's damage. Making it so her ult becomes progressively worse the more the game goes on.

Lets use an example: -Let's assume Quinn is level 9 -she has a bloodthirster (non crit flat damage item to avoid luck bias; her skills can't crit) -opponent has 54 armor; [ Quinn 's at lvl 9 + 9 flat armor seals] (So: 64.935% damage) -rank 5 Q; rank 1 W; rank 2 E, rank 1 R.

With 179AD (87 bonus AD) Quinn's damage combo: harrier, vault, harrier, blinding assault, auto. [eAA, E, eAA, Q, AA] Damage: 179+159, 92, 179+159, 300, 179 = 1247 with armor reduction: 64.935% ---> 809.74 damage Valor's damage combo: vault, auto, blinding assault, auto, skystrike. [E, AA, Q, AA, R] Damage: 92, 179, 300, 179, (154 to 308) = 904 to 1058 with armor reduction: 64.935% ---> 587 to 687 damage

Damage difference: 222.74 to 122.74 less damage in Valor form

With 300AD Quinn's damage combo: harrier, vault, harrier, blinding assault, auto. [eAA, E, eAA, Q, AA] Damage: 300+211.5, 130, 300+211.5, 425, 300 = 1878 with armor reduction: 64.935% ---> 1219.5 damage Valor's damage combo: vault, auto, blinding assault, auto, skystrike. [E, AA, Q, AA, R] Damage: 130, 300, 425, 300, (206.5 to 413) = 1361.5 to 1568 with armor reduction: 64.935% ---> 884.09 to 1018.18 damage

Damage difference: 335.41 to 201.32 less damage in Valor form

Now let's compare the mid (179AD) and the late (300AD) game Quinn's. Quinn will do 409.76 extra burst damage and Valor will do 297 to 331 extra burst damage

Now I realize that both Quinns are at level 9, so not exactly realistic


***The point is that Quinn loses her passive when she ults thereby losing a bunch of her damage; she should be able to trigger her passive in Valor form. ***

Proposed Abilities As Valor: -Q-Marks target -W-Heightened senses active mark all champions in range -E-no longer marks targets (cooldown is refreshed upon first ult activation if on cooldown) -R-no change So her new combo would be: R W E eAA Q eAA R


New damage calculations (based on current Quinn damages)

at 179AD Quinn damage: 1247 damage ---> armor reduced to 809.74 Valor Damage: 92, 179+159, 300, 179+159, (154 to 308) damage ---> 1222 to 1378 damage with armor reduction: 64.935% ---> 793.5 to 894.8 damage

at 300AD Quinn damage: 1878 armor reduced to 1219.5 Valor Damage: 130, 300+211.5, 425, 300+211.5, (206.5 to 413) ---> 1784.5 to 1991 damage with armor reduction: 64.935% ---> 1158.8 to 1292.8 damage

TL;DR Quinn will now do basically the same damage as her ranged form, but gain the vision utility she suggests in her identity for setting up teamfights and chasing targets.

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2 Comments

Black Star 12992 votes

I think it's a pretty good idea.

However, the attack speed portion of Valor form might make it too overpowered. Maybe just make is same as Quinn's proccing of passive?

It'd also be really good to have e cooldown refresh after skystrike :D

LostFr0st1 votes

You're right... but I think Riot would tweak it (I hope) if it gets OP. Right now she does less damage as Valor than Quinn so idk.

I found that as Valor I don't really sit there and auto too much... I feel like if I sit there too long I'll get blown up...

Refresh would be cool +) Give her more reason to actually go in.
Might be op kiting melees though... I think she needs the risky all-in feel.

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