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Why double abilities for Thresh?

StoryDuck··3 votes·561 views

I don't think thresh is too powerful or anything. I never really have too much trouble dealing with him, but I was just wondering, why does all of his abilities have secondary effects? I normally hear people complain about his overloaded kit and really, some of the stuff he has he doesn't really need and could be focused into his uniqueness instead of making him an all around do everything champion.

  • Example 1: Why does flay have an AA steroid? Flay is already a very powerful ability by itself, why does Thresh need this ability? All it does is allows him to poke with AA sometimes as well as poke supports. Is thresh a poke support? Not really, I mean sure it lets him build AD as a gimmick but does he really need this tacted on to Flay? I would rather see the slow strengthened or maybe just have it deal more damage as an ability allowing him to better engage or peel with the ability.

  • Example 2: Why does dark passage shield? This is kind of his iconic ability and I get they want it to be part of his identity but with that huge CD I almost never see it used as a shield like how other supports use it. 9/10 times I see it used to pick up souls from afar, pull someone out of danger, or pull someone in for a gank. Let's be honest, that in itself is really powerful! This is what makes Thresh the play making master! Honestly, why not just get rid of the shield but lower the CD on the ability so that it can be used more often?

  • Example 3: Why does Death Sentence have a built in CDR of 3 seconds for every time it hits any target? I mean, the ability is already very powerful. 1.5 second ranged stun at level 1, you can choose to dash in or not too, and you can take people along with you with Dark Passage. Does it really need a way to reduce the CD too?

Again, I don't really mind thresh as he is now. I can however see where people are coming from about his overloaded kit. Everything but his ult has a secondary effect (although that 550 damage +100% ap is pretty ridiculous for damage in a tanky support, even without infinite AP and Armor scaling). A lot of it doesn't even seem that necessary to me and some of it could be focused more into his identity as an Engage/tank support instead of him being an engage/peel/poke/shielding/tank support.

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EvilMerodach3 votes

His Death Sentence had a built in cooldown because it used to just have a lower cooldown, but they didn't like him just being able to throw them out to brush check. So they raised the cooldown, and made it so if you land it, it has the same cooldown as it used to have all the time. It was a nerf, just in a strange way.

The AA thing I think is kinda cool. It builds up damage for the longer you don't AA. Gives him a little..uh...mini nuke? It's lets him force situations where he trades an AA for AA, and wins out, as long as he isn't trading AA's often. It also used to be a passive on his Q...but they moved it to E because Q was just way too strong in general, now he levels Q for initiation, E for poke.

Shield is actually really useful, and have a feeling without it at all..pro teams might actually find a way to work him into comp without taking him as support. I mean he has peel...but...the shield is really his only 'support' ability. And actually does mitigate a decent amount of damage throughout a game.

I mean maybe he doesn't need all that, but it does all have a purpose. It's not a completely overloaded kit, and everything kinda works well off of each other. Though, I do feel he does have too much utility in general. I have a feeling even if everything he did literally 0 damage on ALL of his skills, he'd still be picked on some pro team comps simply because of what all he can do.

StoryDuck2 votes

I get the AA thing and the shield I really do. Again I don't really have problems with him (probably because in matchups I play him most so used to all his tricks) but, why not focus him more? Why keep him as this all purpose support that can do it all instead of focusing him more like they do all the other supports? Wouldn't it be more fun to have an 8 second CD W that you can keep throwing around for cool plays? I'm jsut saying they could do without the AA steroid and shield and really make Thresh...Thresh.

And why the hell are there so many down votes? Are people really that scared of Thresh being changed in anyway?

t3hcollective2 votes

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I mean maybe he doesn't need all that, but it does all have a purpose.** It's not a completely overloaded kit**, and everything kinda works well off of each other. Though, I do feel he does have too much utility in general. ** of his skills, he'd still be picked on some pro team comps simply because of what all he can **.

Do you see how these two things contradict each other? If you think he would be taken for 0 dmg and he has lots of damage, IT IS AN OVERLOADED KIT.

EvilMerodach1 votes

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Do you see how these two things contradict each other? If you think he would be taken for 0 dmg and he has lots of damage, IT IS AN OVERLOADED KIT.

not completely overloaded ≠ overloaded.

Without damage, he would be all but useless to all teams other than very top of the pros. Full overloaded kits are when noobs can play 3 games with them and beat people who are mechanically better than them simply because stats/skill spam.

Thresh is mechanically intensive, and requires practice, and team coordination to be half as effective as others in his support type. Just at pro levels, he's one of those lcsbigplays type. Does lots of cool stuff, because he has lots of cool stuff he's capable of doing.

Cowgirl Ed1 votes

because he is overloaded and made by ct

StoryDuck1 votes

I get the feeling people are not reading the post and just reading the headline of the topic. I could just be imagining it I guess.

Cowgirl Ed1 votes

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I get the feeling people are not reading the post and just reading the headline of the topic. I could just be imagining it I guess.

Dude you really expect people to read a post after the first line? damn i miss old gd! BTW I read your post, but it's a common theme on the last champions (well, it's been a long time since thresh now) to assign double passives and extra shits. See: yasuo passiveS

StoryDuck1 votes

Dude you really expect people to read a post after the first line?

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