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"Aatrox has huge sustain"

shteeeb·6/14/2015, 6:38:56 AM·2 votes·575 views

A Lee Sin with W max heals as much as him. Once Lee gets Hydra, it's not even a competition. Oh, and that's not mentioning Lee will outdamage him while sustaining. If Aatrox wants to DPS, he has to turn off his sustain, which also kills himself (has a health cost every 3 autos that scales with AD [WHY? Building AD you kill yourself faster?])

My point isn't to nerf Lee. My point is to show how pathetic Aatrox is even in his "niche" of being a sustain champion.

#reworkAatrox

2 Comments

EffectFX6/14/2015, 10:02:00 AM1 votes

  1. No.

  2. Lee has higher scaling and base damage so it makes sense that he would deal more damage. If you're playing aatrox to be a damage dealer you're playing him wrong though.

  3. Build lifesteal and bam, problem with damaging yourself with Blood Price mostly solved. Blade of the ruined king + Hydra combined with tank items. (Randuins and Sunfire or thornmail as armor options, spirit visage and banshee's veil for MR)

  4. And no, Lee sin actually doesn't beat aatrox in sustain unless you also aren't building lifesteal on aatrox, using blood thirst under 50% HP to gain the tripled heal and completely not realizing that the heal on Aatroxs W is not affected by an enemies armor (which Lee Sin's lifesteal/spell vamp is affected by armor. ).

Aatrox level 5 W has a base heal of 40 with a 25% bonus AD ratio so yeah that looks a bit small, but... under 50% HP that triples to 120 + 75% bonus AD ratio that isn't affected by an opponents armor.

Aatrox sustain above 50% HP is inferior to lee's, but below 50% is a different story.

At level 18. Lee Sin 116 AD Aatrox 115 AD

Lee sin with his W lifesteal up (25%) lifesteal, will gain back 29 health per hit for a total of 87. Below 50% HP aatrox's base heal is 120.

So not really that close, even further away once you remember that armor affects lee sin's lifesteal, but not aatroxs W.

Let's throw in a hydra for both characters

Lee Sin now has 191 AD. Lee Sins 32% lifesteal now heals him for 61 HP every hit against a target with zero armor. 183 HP in 3 hits.

Aatrox now has 190 AD. 120 + 56 (which is 75% of 75) = 176 HP in 3 hits unnaffected by armor. 191 X .12 (hydra lifesteal) adds an additional 23 health every hit (*3 makes it 69 additional sustain every 3 hits, though this is affected by armor). So 245 HP every 3 hits for Aatrox, of which, only 69 is affected by an enemies armor.

Oh and of course I'm forgetting the loads of attack speed in aatroxs kit. Lee sin gets a decent chunk, but nothing compared to aatrox.