@Riot: Can we discuss Thornmail, or is the community going to shoot me down again?

darkdill··4 votes·286 views

EDIT: Yep. Shot down again for mentioning the word.

Thornmail, I feel, is an item which could easily have better implementation, but has barely changed since League was in beta. 100 armor and damage reflect make it an inferior item to other armor choices, but its thorns effect is kept only to deter 5-physical compositions, something I feel goes against Riot's current desire for strategic diversity.

The fact that Thornmail lacks good counterplay doesn't help its cause either. The moment you get a Thornmail, your opponents are unavoidably punished for attacking you. Sure, they might outheal the thorns damage or resist it enough so it doesn't matter, but it's still punishing them for being aggressive. And you aren't actually outplaying your opponent by getting lifesteal or magic resist; you're just getting into a stat-war with them, which no one likes. Don't you think that qualifies as toxic nowadays?

But this is all 'broken record' stuff, so I'll get to the heart of the matter: Should Thornmail stay in LoL or face an eventual replacement? If you try to keep it, will you make it more dynamic (i.e. thorns as an active instead of as a passive)? If you remove it, what would you replace it with?

And will the community downvote the crap out of this topic just for trying to talk about Thornmail? Probably.

6 Comments

SS Enforcer2 votes

Why are people downvoting you? O.o Do they hate you for no reason or what?

darkdill1 votes

I do have that kind of reputation.

Ratbert2 votes

"lacks counterplay" gives 2 examples of counterplay

darkdill1 votes

Are those considered good counterplay or bad counterplay? I would say bad counterplay. You don't actually outmaneuver or outplay your opponent; you just get into a stat-war with them, which sucks ass.

Ratbert2 votes

League is a huge number war. Other than dashes, timing and/or high mobility, you can't really outplay anyone. Building resistances or lifesteal is literally countering their play of building thornmail.

AtheosisX1 votes

Thornmail isn't even good. It basically amounts to lifesteal negation and little else most of the time.

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