So how do you actually counter a stealth champion?

58304318_DEL·Nov 24, 2014·1 votes·1,945 views

They strike anytime from anywhere and usually deal 1.5k damage in 2 seconds. Champions that I have in mind are:

And no, pink ward doesn't really help. They cover only a small area of the map and closer I put them to my lane, sooner they gets destroyed. - (plus, I can only put 1 pink for 2 possible sides to be ganked from)

Also, why tower don't have the true sight on champions anymore? That's so illogical. - (or they do, they're not doing a good job)

25 Comments

TalamareNov 24, 20142 votes

It's not as bad as it was before

and they do have true sight

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Well, your comment didn't help me much at all. All you're saying is: "it's not as bad as it was before" When before? And how was it worse then?

I remember the times when we could use Oracle Elixir that would counter and prevent any enemy stealth champion to sneak up on you. It was bad, but for them..

And about the true sight, it's not working properly. Either is has long delay or super short range of vision.

FiendOfOneNov 24, 20142 votes

Smite raptors. Find enemy ward. Gain true sight.

Honestly, none of them have hard CC, and you can counter them doing this, but they will get the jump on you most likely. HOWEVER. Warding about halfway down river or getting the scuttle crab, map awareness of who is missing and where people are (like putting a deep ward into their jungle to find them on their way), etc. Vision counters stealth, but sometimes you need to see them coming before they stealth.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

I can't smite raptors, as I'm the mid laner. I don't use smite. I tried buying Sightstone several games just to ward my surroundings and it helped only a little bit.

Works probably the best against Shaco, as he has the shortest Stealth duration, but he can still Sweep the bush and come again in a minute. It definitely doesn't work against Rengar, Twitch or Eve.

ALSO, big also - putting wards into enemy jungle is way to risky and most likely will cost you a life, as you can get caught up on your way there so easily..

Edit: Shaco, Rengar and Eve are usually in the jungle so you can't really predict their position. Also, easiest route for them to gank is straight from the mid lane turret. (no way for me to ward or do anything about it)

OrbvNov 24, 20142 votes

There are a good amount of mid laners going smite raptors now. It's becoming a thing, so don't completely dismiss it. Also what champions do you use? Top 3

Against stealth champions, the ONLY realistic way to do it is to go into their jungle. I know you said it's not safe, but it's safer than hoping to God that they don't kill you in lane. Choose where you want your caution to be placed. This is all for laning:

Eve is by far the EASIEST stealth person to counter. She has no CC until lvl 6 so you can go into her jungle to ward very easily, she has partial stealth worse than Rengar's, and the new jungle cripples her and now she always starts her first round low on health (making it a rather easy kill for you until 5-7min).

Shaco is a bit harder, but he also is easy to ward against. I know you also mentioned how he can just sweep the wards, but EVERY JUNGLER can do that. If you are having an issue replacing sweeped wards, then that's a personal skill you need to practice. The dance of ward placements happens every single game, if it doesn't, then either you or your enemy is playing at a lower level and that needs to be pressed for an advantage.

Rengar and Kha'Zix aren't a pain until later on, and you just play cautiously. Again ward their jungle, it's the only way. Obviously before you do it, check your minimap every 10 seconds to see if they show up in another lane, the instant they do, PUSH and ward their jungle.

For non-laning it's not your job specifically to scout for stealths. Buy a pink, place it in an awkward but frequented used route and check your minimap constantly.

As someone said earlier, they give up stats to have invisibility. They are all relatively squishy. I honestly think Lee Sin Ward jumping into a Q into a nearby minion into a flash ult is FAR more obnoxious. You can see it coming and still have no chance.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Hey, this was a good answer, I gotta hand it to you. But it still seems it will always be a bigger struggle against stealth champions, then the normal ones.

It's not so easy to push with some mid-laners that quickly to easily back out to go ward the jungle. Either way, I'll try putting some deeper wards to test it out..

Thanks!

Edit: Taking smite is a stupid idea though, and I'm not going to even try. I'll rather take some defensive spell, rather then smite to gain 60s vision and anger my jungler for stealing his monsters too.. (on the other hand, stealing enemy jungle would be way too risky and unreliable)

FiendOfOneNov 24, 20141 votes

Alright, I admit I was thinking side lanes. So, I've been looking at your match history. Seems like you play a ton of Lux recently, and you have a high amount of Fizz and Annie. So.

Lux: They come out of stealth, get their first hit. Snare, back away, auto attack, luminosity, detonate, auto attack. Throw your shield up in there somewhere. If they're still coming, ult> auto attack. Keep backing towards your tower the whole time.

Fizz: Trickster out. Profit.

Annie: Keep your stun ready. As soon as they jump in, combo burst them into oblivion. Also, you'll find that your stun will make a LOT of people more hesitant to engage.

Eve and Shaco are SUPER squishy. Rengar's probably the hardest matchup there, but considering his invisibility is his ult, you should have yours long before then. Try to pay attention to where he is on the map, and play safe. Example: Stealth champ just ganked top. Stay near the middle of your lane, but for a little bit, you can hover down near the bottom.

If for some ungodly reason, Rengar has maxed out CDR, at level 16 his ult is every 42 seconds. 1) I hope you're out of the laning phase by then. 2) No way in hell is he max CDR. So, for the laning phase ganks, you're looking at, towards the end of the laning phase on superfed rengar, a minimum of 88 seconds between his ults (which is him at level 11 with trinity force and black cleaver because he's murdering everyone and you probably lost the game). MORE LIKELY you're going to be dealing with the FULL 150 seconds between ults (Since the enemy mid is probably getting blue after the first one).

It comes down to awareness. Play like there's a champ that could come out of nowhere at any second to try and murder you. Because there is. Be prepared for them, pay attention to where they are, when they gank, when they use their abilities, etc. Eve even gives you an early warning system :D

Hopefully this helps out.

Also, learn how to deep ward. Mid laners are actually pretty good for it, and it helps out your map awareness a TON. Example: Enemy jungler just ganked top. You have a pink ward in your inventory for this VERY REASON. Do a wave clear (I know you can with lux) to pressure the lane, maybe drop a harass or two on your lane opponent, then go into the enemy bot jungle and drop a well hidden pink ward. Come back to lane and profit.

OrbvNov 24, 20141 votes

For the sake of being That Guy, Wrong! Shaco has a highly inconsistent FEAR which is labeled as a hard CC #FTW!!!. But otherwise agreed lol.

ChargeItDownMidNov 24, 20141 votes

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58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Do the really? And if I told you that they tear my full HP down in 2s, all alone in midgame? Where is the stat sacrifice for stealth with Rengar?

ChargeItDownMidNov 24, 20141 votes

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58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

If that's true, show me how to do that with Lux, I wanna see. Then after you miss your only bind, I wonder how you're gonna manage.

HexTechBomberNov 24, 20141 votes

If you really think that pink wards do not do much against stealth units, then you're completely WRONG buddy. They have quite a lot to contribute for you in specific well placed locations. Specifically for Evelynn since she has true stealth and doesn't have to activate an ability for stealth. Placing them in strategic positions always work simply the same as normal wards. In fact best time to still get some kind of vision on even Evelynn when in jungle is ward closer to her camps because you'll see her dueling the camps and you'll know where she is and which direction she begins to head and when to expect her.

Wards do A LOT buddy. Positioning your wards properly will keep you safe.

Also if you're not near turret and Shaco, Twitch, Akali, Rengar use their ability to stealth just drop a pink ward immedietly, if your near a bush when they do that, put it there you'll gain vision of them and any wards in that bush as well. You will immedietly see them, so always carry pink wards on you when your enemy team has 1 or more stealth based champions. Too many times I see people failing to have a pink ward against Akali's and don't use them on her shroud.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

If you would actually read anything of what I just say you wouldn't post this novel of how useful pink ward is. I know it's useful for chasing down stealth champions or warding certain jungle locations for a long period of time, but it's not really helpful midlane, when trying to DEFEND yourself from an enemy stealth jungler! I buy several pinks every game so I would know. And don't call me buddy. I'm not your pet or something similar..

TheFallenShawNov 24, 20141 votes

There are 3 things you can do.

Use pink wards
take smite instead of your ignight. Smite is better/same anyway depending on the item you put it with.

and most importantly...

Learn to play better and counter them. The only one you spoke of that's not Squishy is and you didn't even mention . Every champion in the game has a counter. Well ecp a full tank nasus with 2000 stacks, but every other champion has a counter.

PS: Evelynn , Shaco could honestly use some buffs, just to make the viable in lane. Problem is they won't get them because #1 everyone hates clowns, #2 they hate shaco more than clowns, and finally #3 they have stealth

HexTechBomberNov 24, 20141 votes

Touchy Touchy aren't we? Can't be friendly can we? Alright were a decrepid human race who have to treat other people we meet as piles of crap when someone's trying to be helpful and actually give feedback. But okay, if you don't like the feedback people give you, then don't ask questions.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Being arrogant is one thing, but being frustrated is other. Sometimes if you try to do your best and then everything goes against you anyway, you're more likely to react that way... Sorry that I've been grumpy, I don't mean to be that guy. It's just, some days one bad thing adds to another...

Also, some people in these kind of threads doesn't really want to be helpful, only want to be smart***es or just argue with you. So yeah, sorry about that. =/

HexTechBomberNov 24, 20141 votes

It's alright, but I am not trying to be a smart a hole with my reply regarding the warding. I was trying to point out helpful things regarding the idea of how to easily deal with it through specific positioning of wards to gain certain vision and having that pink always on you when they stealth in an important fight. It's 100 G but that's easily worth it if you kill them.

But thank you for taking a step back to at least appreciate the feedback I provided, if someone is going into detail on something, genuinely I think they are trying to be helpful but yeah it's hard to read peoples intent over the net.

Hullabaloo907Nov 24, 20141 votes

Lane control and map awareness the best cures. Dont shove your lane unless you need to or you have a good idea where the stealth champ is will help the most. Even stealthed champs will have a hard time ganking if your are not pushed past the middle of the river. Deep wards are also helpful if you can get them down safely, because they cant be stealthed while clearing camps.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Very good point... I never really warded at the camp near lane before, for whatever reason.. Ty.

SmokingPuffinNov 24, 20141 votes

The best counterplay is good positioning. You're safe under tower. You're safe with your team. You're safe behind a pink. Don't be solo farming a side lane if they have a knifecat and you don't know where he is.

Assuming you don't know how to do that reliably, alternative counterplay is picking a tanky champion, or a duelist champion. Jax thinks knifecat is adorable.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Haha, that's a good one! I don't play Jax though. I have only wide pick of my beloved champions that are relater by lore.

58304318_DELNov 24, 20141 votes

Well, thanks bro. Quite helpful info. I am one of those guys, who's better focusing on one single thing, rather than on many things at once. Well, I gotta work even harder to make "watching a minimap every few seconds" a habit, but it's not that easy though. At the same time I have to watch the laning opponent as well as properly last hit every possible minion.

About the Lux snare, from my recent games I can assure you, that once somebody jump at your face, there's no escape. It's nearly impossible to bind them if they're glued to you, as well her slow movement speed won't help you get away. That's why I've been testing out the Frost Queen's Claim and it seems to be quite efficient in most of the situations...

Drunk RummateNov 24, 20141 votes

put wards at their jungle camps if they're the enemy jungler. you can see which camps are taken, which aren't taken, so you know which side of the map to expect the gank to come from.

be aware of power spike timings. if your jungler is level 6, then expect their rengar to ult-gank a lane. watch your lane opponent very carefully for tells that rengar is coming, they'll usually give it away by going more aggressive than before or moving into a position to bait a "good" trade for you.

if you're against a shaco or evelynn just farm under tower and win the 5v4 later on because a shaco/eve without kills is useless in the later stages of the game.