Mordekaiser is designed around a Juggernaut but maybe he should be more Battle Mage instead

KoKoboto·Mar 24, 2018·22 votes·1,352 views

It's 2:30am so I don't have the capacity to lay out my thoughts enough but I'm just thinking that having some more agency and being a battle mage would be nice. Ever since they changed Mordekaiser's Q to the 3 hit things it feels like he should be more of a tanky bruiser juggernaut but it just doesn't work out because he has no way to guarantee landing the 3 Qs, he can only increase his chances with items/runes.

28 Comments

IxozielMar 24, 20188 votes

They just need to revert the horrid rework. The old one was far more fun to play than the new one.

GigglesOMar 24, 20183 votes

They just didn't give him enough base stats to make the new morde viable outside of a duo lane... They gave him the stats of a squishy adc.

MordepoolMar 24, 20185 votes

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They just didn't give him enough base stats to make the new more viable outside of a duo lane... They gave him the stats of a squishy adc.

Worse I'm pretty sure

leakinbMar 24, 20184 votes

His stat even worse than an ADC Low armor, low health, low MS, low AS, low HR etc What i mean low is damn low

Raid Boss MordeMar 24, 20184 votes

He's already a Battlemage right now, he builds full AP, where every other juggernaut builds 1 damage item into full tank. They just need to actually give him good movement speed, 340, actual stats, and ways to catch up to people.

GigglesOMar 24, 20183 votes

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He's already a Battlemage right now, he builds full AP, where every other juggernaut builds 1 damage item into full tank. They just need to actually give him good movement speed, 340, actual stats, and ways to catch up to people.

Dont tell that to Rubic cause every time I post that its a downvote with "I'm challenger so he doesn't need buffs"

HibekiMar 24, 20185 votes

rubic's also an idiot

GigglesOMar 25, 20182 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

MordepoolMar 24, 20184 votes

He is a Battle mage. The Juggernaut tag was just an excuse to drop his MS down to the lowest value for " thematic" reasons.

KoKobotoMar 24, 20181 votes

Reason why I don't feel he's that battle magey is because he has no crowd control at all outside of items / runes. In comparison Swain and Karthus have powerful CC. Champions like Vladimir and Lissandra specifically have interesting ways to maneuver around a fight.

Over InnsmouthMar 24, 20183 votes

I think it works for him more than being a straight AP Juggernaut, both thematically and his gameplay. Maybe 2/3 Juggernaut and 1/3 Battlemage?

Dead flag bluesMar 24, 20183 votes

All this champ need is some kind of CC on his kit, or even a simple slow. Having a "full dps kit" while being melee and having no form of mobility / cc, having one of the lowest movement speed in game can only result in a failure. No wonder most Morde I meet build item 3009 item 3116 item 3146 item 3742

I was thinking about something like his W acting like Diana's E. It basically has a "pulling" animation + it would make some wonderful "playz" if the W is given to an ally (imagine a Rakan going in for instance and pulling everyone around him)

FefnilMar 24, 20183 votes

In my opinion they could change all his scalings from ap to ad, but keep the magic damage, turning him into the Corki of the Juggernauts. This way he can keep his niche as the magic damage Juggernaut but can actually build Sterak's, Titanic and all other items a Juggernaut would build.

MordepoolMar 24, 20181 votes

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In my opinion they could change all his scalings from ap to ad, but keep the magic damage, turning him into the Corki of the Juggernauts. This way he can keep his niche as the magic damage Juggernaut but can actually build Sterak's, Titanic and all other items a Juggernaut would build.

He works OK with those items. Steraks since he has decently high base AD( not compared to other Juggernauts. He went from having the highest base AD to the lowest) and likes any anti burst item since he has the lowest Base HP & HP growth of any melee fighter with the exception of Sion.

Titanic Hydra is designed not to work with His Q so might as well be garbage. Also hh has really Low Attack speed so AA dependant items are a losing gamble.

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

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He works OK with those items. Steraks since he has decently high base AD( not compared to other Juggernauts. He went from having the highest base AD to the lowest) and likes any anti burst item since he has the lowest Base HP & HP growth of any melee fighter with the exception of Sion.

Titanic Hydra is designed not to work with His Q so might as well be garbage. Also hh has really Low Attack speed so AA dependant items are a losing gamble.

Except that dragon has a bonus ad ratio, and stereks gives base ad.

IxozielMar 25, 20181 votes

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In my opinion they could change all his scalings from ap to ad, but keep the magic damage, turning him into the Corki of the Juggernauts. This way he can keep his niche as the magic damage Juggernaut but can actually build Sterak's, Titanic and all other items a Juggernaut would build.

Corki of teh "juggernaughts" kind of already exists via Shyvana / Warwick. Both build AD but do mixed damage, even if they're not technically "juggernaughts" Shyvana is at least very similar.

VartiusMar 24, 20182 votes

I am all for BattleMage Morde. Juggernaut approach doesn't seem to work, at least with how Riot thinks Morde should be.

leakinbMar 24, 20182 votes

Mordekaiser is definitely a battlemage, not a damn juggernaut He builds none or one defensive items But he will never able to deal full combo dmg due to his low mobility, zero cc and highly teammate reliant

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

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Mordekaiser is definitely a battlemage, not a damn juggernaut He builds none or one defensive items But he will never able to deal full combo dmg due to his low mobility, zero cc and highly teammate reliant

Lets not forget all the ranged little bitch champions that you aren't even allowed to touch even if you don't get cc'd because your base MS is too low.

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

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Mordekaiser is definitely a battlemage, not a damn juggernaut He builds none or one defensive items But he will never able to deal full combo dmg due to his low mobility, zero cc and highly teammate reliant

Lets not forget all the ranged little bitch champions that you aren't even allowed to touch even if you don't get cc'd because your base MS is too low.

SociopathFriendMar 24, 20182 votes

Lowest MS in the game IIRC- outside of dismounted Kled.

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

Atleast he gets MS towards the enemy

MordepoolMar 24, 20181 votes

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Lowest MS in the game IIRC- outside of dismounted Kled.

Sadly unmounted Kled can run Morde down

SociopathFriendMar 25, 20181 votes

True, but he cannot outrun a chasing mord

MordepoolMar 25, 20181 votes

http://www.hilariousgifs.com/canadian-police-chase/

Fear the KaynMar 25, 20181 votes

I think when they rework him, they really need to make him an AD scaling battlemage, if that makes any sense. Also, I'd rather Riot keep him having no mobility, but a Darius-esque pull of some sort.

IręlíaMar 25, 20181 votes

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I think when they rework him, they really need to make him an AD scaling battlemage, if that makes any sense. Also, I'd rather Riot keep him having no mobility, but a Darius-esque pull of some sort.

What about some kind of trap like Yorick's

Something like Leoric's Trap Heoric from HotS?

DaFlameGodMar 25, 20181 votes

Mordekaiser being a mage in this climate was the main issue. Mage's generally have high mobility, range , CC which has led to various AP item nerfs removals or reworks as means to "balance" their capabilities. relied on buffed AP items and items like death fire grasp.

Now all he does is fall victim to the mage counter, which is stack 1 or 2 MR items. Of course this is easily fixable if Riot still had talent.

His passives do not synergize unlike the other Juggers ( , , ) Darius passive and skill passive does Bleed and Armor reduction. Illoai tentacles do more dmg

What Morde needs is a new passive that either shreds MR, or increases shield regen ex. lvl 5 W passive gains an addition 25% shield generation from damage.

New passive ability: Corruption any item Mordekaiser touches converts the item to more Magic Dmg related if applicable. So for instance shreds MR instead of armor.

One of the main issues is that Morde needs CDR since he no longer does enough damage, can't get to the adc anymore and basically has to fight the frontline which are tanks. But all useful CDR items are all AD

Make all his abilities hybrid scaling with AP/AD or just make him an AD champ who only does magic dmg (the less experimental version of #2)
Make armor and MR scale with his shield
Reward him for actually getting his shield to 100% in combat.

Right now everyone has a shield that are so much easier to manage even if they aren't up 100% of the time. Camille can smart trade with 120% all the time with her passive, Morde has to micromanage his passive which is very difficult since his shield generation is weak and it decays no matter what you do.

Give him some form of CC.

Lets be honest that excuse is dead now too much power creep and mobility creep for Riot to keep him from CC but it can be CC like Disarm something that isn't debilitating but enhances him while in combat while draining his opponent.