Syndra is weaker than cannon minion

Asud··3 votes·1,321 views

I wrote discussion after discussion on this topic, but i wont quit until some of those smartass boys from live design and balance team respond. Why is it that a champion is left in the trash can for more than a year. New runes hit her. Stat changes when new runes came hit her. New champions hit her> she is squishy with skillshots very easy to avoid when everyone has 3 mobility spells. AP items change hit her. She cant get lost chapter before she hits 6 so her level 6 is actually useless now. And because she can no longer snowball the lane EVER. She gets outscaled by cannon minions at maybe 20 minutes into the game. Everyone has better scaling than she has. Everyone is tankier with more utility than she is. Everyone has skills easier to land. She needs like 10 buffs and a rework to her passive and even than she would lose half of the laning phases to more than half midlaners simply because half of the game counters her. every champion that builds item 3053 can survive her at every stage of the game. Buying item 3111 counters her more than any other champ. She dies if you sneeze near her. Damage reductions. Blocking spells. Going untargetable. Zhonya's. Shields. Barier as summoner spell. Exhaust as summoner spell. Everything counters her. She counters no one. Except maybe some dumbass who facecheckes the fog of war with 1500k and no resistances at 30 minutes into the game and dies to her ult then goes crying that its OP. Think again. Think Veigar. Think Velqoz. Think Lux. Neeko. Zoe Q does more than Syndra's ult. Zyra does more in an AOE. Karthus oneshots half of your team from across the map. But Syndra remains fine with no pickrate and laughable winrate.

16 Comments

Elf04916 votes

Funny, I've never seen a canon minion oneshot someone.

Asud1 votes

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Funny, I've never seen a canon minion oneshot someone.

I can see you dont play her.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

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I can see you dont play her.

And we can see you're just not good with Syndra.

I don't play her, but calling her weak af is over the line.

Asud1 votes

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And we can see you're just not good with Syndra.

I don't play her, but calling her weak af is over the line.

She is the single worst mage in the game for more than a year. Freakin Fiddlesticks found his spot on support. She has no spot. She is designed to be a lane bully. To go for early advantages. But then she has one of the lowest base damages on her primary damage spell Q. It's 70 + 65% AP. Almost every single basic damage spell has at least 80 damage. And almost every basic damage spell has more AP scaling. They took away her mana, so she cannot spam Q like she used to. They took away her level 6 all in with lost chapter, because lost chapter now costs 400 gold more and cannot be bought at level 5 when she needs it. The only thing noobs cry about (and i must say noobs because you have to be either dumb or new to the game to think she is in fine spot) is her ultimate which has one of the lowest base damages among Mage ulti's. Yes its single target, yes it can burst a bad player who facechecked her but only if she is 2 levels ahead and hasn't somehow fallen behind due to any of 100 reasons that put her behind. Her base damage on ult is 270 + 20 % AP per sphere (this gets reduced by magic resist) Lux's base damage is 300 + 75% AOE which is more impactfull also global also has reset on cooldown Veigar's has only 175 base damage but with 75% scaling aaand it scales of missing HP which works as an execute. Karthus has 250 but its global and will damage all enemies. It also has 75% ap scale. His items work better. HE is better. and the list goes on. The point is she is the single worst mage for the entire year. No one ever picks her. i look up the pros like Bjergsen and some others. They dont play her in competitive, they dont play her in Solo Q, and even if they do- they lose. But i guess youre an adc main who got one shot by her once this season so for adcs and your egos, if it can kill you its overpowered of course.

Psyrix4 votes

Syndra is fine, not strong, but also not weak. You need to learn to play her better.

Asud1 votes

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Syndra is fine, not strong, but also not weak. You need to learn to play her better.

I can win lane and snowball with every champion i try. You name it, I'll stomp it. Except Syndra. I used to. In season 7 i had no issues. She had negative winrate by op.gg but i could win with her. I tried Lux the other day, and i can only say that champ is stupidly OP. Pushing like maniac if she wants to with no cooldown on CC spell. Huge range, huge damage, huge shield. Orianna breaks the rift with her ulti. I tried Galio. I deleted my enemy under his tower with one rotation, like 8 minutes into the game. Funny. Cuz he is kinda tanky champ. I will not talk about Veigar. His Q does more damage. His W does more damage and has no cooldown later on. His E is way better zoning spell. His ult is just like Syndras, only easier and does more damage. Zoe does more damage with her Q than SYndra does with her ult. Lux has more base damage on every ability including ulti even though its AOE and global spell at the same time. Also it has no real cooldown. She is countered by pretty much everything Fizz Ekko Katarina Anivia Galio Kassadin . These you cannot beat unless they are to dumb to live. Then comes every champ with good ms and some mobility spell cuz guess what you cannot hit them unless they fuck up. Im forced to play fucking Irelia because i have 75% winrate. And Galio. Champs i despise because my fucking main is in trash can left to rot.

L Psy Kongroo2 votes

Syndra can pick up and throw cannon minions. How are they stronger than her?

Glîtchy1 votes

ok I'm sorry but I laughed way more than i should have at this, how the hell is syndra weak? just finish 1 AP item and Q a couple times then ult, boom done deal

Asud1 votes

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ok I'm sorry but I laughed way more than i should have at this, how the hell is syndra weak? just finish 1 AP item and Q a couple times then ult, boom done deal

Apparently you are mistaking her for brand lux zyra and galio. She cannot do that unless she has at least 2 levels advantage.

Glîtchy1 votes

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Apparently you are mistaking her for brand lux zyra and galio. She cannot do that unless she has at least 2 levels advantage.

Biatch please, I just get a luden’s + Sorcerer’s and they’re dead with a few taps (like 3) of the keyboard

Asud1 votes

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Biatch please, I just get a luden’s + Sorcerer’s and they’re dead with a few taps (like 3) of the keyboard

IN WHAT ELO BUDDY? IN WHAT ELO? Is there an elo now, where u can step over half of your lane to push and not get ganked? Is there? I'll straight up get an account to that point so i can play my god damn champ. I have to ban Fizz, because i really cannot beat him once he has level 6. So then i go against Yasuo, to whom i automatically lose lane because that champ need to get mana so he cant spam like moron. Or enemy gets lee sin in the jg he comes takes 50% of my HP and then i have to switch to defense, continuing to lose my lane. ON a LANE BULLY?

MankeyMadness1 votes

I was hoping this would have some raw numbers proving Syndra is indeed less useful when not fed (or whatever state she's in at X mins >60% of games)

Do cannons have more range and tower dmg than she does?(Shes not buying Lich Bane so maybe. Why are towers Phylacteries?) Are cannon minions harder to kill than Syndra to certain champs (namely, tanks or other mages.)

Asud1 votes

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I was hoping this would have some raw numbers proving Syndra is indeed less useful when not fed (or whatever state she's in at X mins >60% of games)

Do cannons have more range and tower dmg than she does?(Shes not buying Lich Bane so maybe. Why are towers Phylacteries?) Are cannon minions harder to kill than Syndra to certain champs (namely, tanks or other mages.)

I did a huge post with numbers in the early game. You can probably find it on my profile. I explained very well why she is bad as an early game champ that she is. Why she cannot dominate lane like she is supposed to. Because she is like Renekton top She is supposed to beat you in the lane because everyone outscales her. But hey even RENE got essence reaver now he has lategame. Syndra has nothing. She has one chance to delete someone. If that someone is dumb enough. Sbe loses early mid and late game to players of equal and somewhat lower skill level. The only way to dominate with her is to drop somewhere 600 mmr lower than u should be.

Hayaishi21 votes

I assume pro play

GFREEMEN1 votes

Everyone is. Deleting people in .3s is what the game is all about now.

On My Kill List1 votes

its mostly due to nerfs to her ult and q back then. also the w changes she had weren't enough to compensate.

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